Tell me about the Valar - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Meela · 02-21-2003, 10:53 AM

im writing about the Valar for my english language course, and i was hoping that you folks could help me.

i know about the Valar as in their names and what they rule over/represent, eg. Varda made the stars, but i was wondering if any of you could tell me about any adventures or deeds the Valar are associated with. i know they had something to do with exiling people? and i know about Melkor turning evil...

If you could, could you please summarise any events concerning the Valar, and then give me a reference, ie. the book/site/whatever and a page number so i can refer back if necessary or find out more? that includes the Melkor and exiling examples i gave, as im not entirely clear on those.

thank you!

Manwe Sulimo · 02-21-2003, 12:36 PM

Get a copy of The Silmarillion; there are so many examples in there it isn't even funny. But you could go with Aulë creating the Dwarves, Yavanna creating the Ents, the Valar destroying Elenna (the island where Númenor was), Ulmo's consistent help for the Eldar and Atani during the First Age, Oromë discovering the Elves when they awoke, Yavanna's trees, the Prophecies of Mandos, Melkor's betrayal and killing of Finwë, the first Great Battle, the Valar's building of Arda....

Meela · 02-21-2003, 01:13 PM

thank you. i know i should properly re-read the silmarillion, but im kinda pressed for time as well, and its quite complex, whereas i just really want a summary

Estelyn Telcontar · 02-21-2003, 01:33 PM

The Valaquenta in the Silmarillion isn't long and will give you most of the information you need. Otherwise, use the search function to find threads about the Valar.

doug*platypus · 02-22-2003, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Tell me about the Valar

They're tall. Really tall.

Well, ask a stupid question...

doug*platypus · 02-22-2003, 03:59 AM

Actually, this might help you out a little. Even if it doesn't, it's still a damn cool picture!!

This is Ulmo appearing to Tuor (try to forget that John Howe got Tuor's hair colour wrong - it was blonde). The scene is related in The Silmarillion and in Unfinished Tales, and the picture is used on the cover of the paperback version of UT that I have.

Ulmo, Lord of Waters by John Howe.

Envinyatar · 02-22-2003, 04:22 AM

Here are some references for you: Click on the gold colored words to activate the links.

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Meela · 02-22-2003, 08:19 AM

thanks for the links!

and i love the picture!! thank you!!

02-21-2003, 10:53 AM	#1
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	Tell me about the Valar im writing about the Valar for my english language course, and i was hoping that you folks could help me. i know about the Valar as in their names and what they rule over/represent, eg. Varda made the stars, but i was wondering if any of you could tell me about any adventures or deeds the Valar are associated with. i know they had something to do with exiling people? and i know about Melkor turning evil... If you could, could you please summarise any events concerning the Valar, and then give me a reference, ie. the book/site/whatever and a page number so i can refer back if necessary or find out more? that includes the Melkor and exiling examples i gave, as im not entirely clear on those. thank you! __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-21-2003, 12:36 PM	#2
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Get a copy of The Silmarillion; there are so many examples in there it isn't even funny. But you could go with Aulë creating the Dwarves, Yavanna creating the Ents, the Valar destroying Elenna (the island where Númenor was), Ulmo's consistent help for the Eldar and Atani during the First Age, Oromë discovering the Elves when they awoke, Yavanna's trees, the Prophecies of Mandos, Melkor's betrayal and killing of Finwë, the first Great Battle, the Valar's building of Arda.... __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

02-21-2003, 01:13 PM	#3
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	thank you. i know i should properly re-read the silmarillion, but im kinda pressed for time as well, and its quite complex, whereas i just really want a summary __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-21-2003, 01:33 PM	#4
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	The Valaquenta in the Silmarillion isn't long and will give you most of the information you need. Otherwise, use the search function to find threads about the Valar. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

02-22-2003, 03:59 AM	#6
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Actually, this might help you out a little. Even if it doesn't, it's still a damn cool picture!! This is Ulmo appearing to Tuor (try to forget that John Howe got Tuor's hair colour wrong - it was blonde). The scene is related in The Silmarillion and in Unfinished Tales, and the picture is used on the cover of the paperback version of UT that I have. Ulmo, Lord of Waters by John Howe. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

02-22-2003, 04:22 AM	#7
Envinyatar Quill Revenant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through the Downs..... Posts: 849	Here are some references for you: Click on the gold colored words to activate the links. HERE HERE HERE AND HERE __________________ ‘Many are the strange chances of the world,’ said Mithrandir, ‘and help oft shall come from the hands of the weak when the Wise falter.’ – Gandalf in: The Silmarillion, 'Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age'

02-22-2003, 08:19 AM	#8
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	thanks for the links! and i love the picture!! thank you!! __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.