Faramir and Eowyn in the Fourth Age? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

02-05-2004, 07:53 PM

Does anybody know what happened to Faamir and Eowyn during the 4th age? I know that they were married and became the Prince and Princess of Ithelien, but what happened after that does anybody know?

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Firefoot · 02-05-2004, 08:12 PM

Well, I can't tell you much but they had at least one kid - they had a grandson Barahir who was said to have written the full Tale of Aragorn and Arwen (Prologue to LotR). That's all I know.

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Kransha · 02-05-2004, 08:52 PM

Faramir remained Steward of Gondor, and was made Prince of Ithilien. Eowyn became Princess. They had a child named Elboron, who had a son called Barahir.

Finwe · 02-05-2004, 09:54 PM

Faramir "moved" to Emyn Arnen, along with his own Guard (a member of which was Beregond), and presumably was Aragorn's steward. He might have also rode out with Aragorn when the latter rode with Eomer to vanquish the remaining Haradrim, but he could have also remained behind to help govern Gondor in the King's absence.

02-06-2004, 07:20 PM

Thank you! That was what I was looking for.

Orominuialwen · 02-16-2004, 06:20 PM

Where did you find out about Elboron? I've never heard of them before.

Kransha · 02-17-2004, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by Orominuialwen
Where did you find out about Elboron? I've never heard of them before.

In Chris Tolkein's History of Middle-Earth, there is mention of Elboron, heir of Faramir and lord of Ithilien. It is unsure of whether or not this was actually his name, but it seems credible. The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen was supposedly written by Barahir, Elboron's son, Steward of Gondor under King Eldarion Telcontar and Prince of Ithilien.

Orominuialwen · 02-17-2004, 01:13 PM

Thanks! I probably just haven't gotten to that part of HoME yet.

Kransha · 02-17-2004, 02:25 PM

I warn you, Orominuialwen, it's not out in the open. Only fleeting reference is made to Elboron. I don't have my copy of HoME handy, so I can't say where it is exactly. If you want to find it, you really have to dig around in there a lot. As I said, it's not assured that Elboron is the name of Faramir and Eowyn's son, but it seems to fit. The Fourth Age was apparently inherited by people with the suffix El- in their names. Elfwine the Fair rules Rohan, Eldarion rules the Reunited Kingdom, and this Elboron possibly controls Ithilien.

Estelyn Telcontar · 02-18-2004, 02:23 AM

I haven't read that far in HoME either, but I do have the index on my bookshelf. The reference to Elboron, son of Faramir (there are several others uses of that name), is in Volume 12, The Peoples of Middle-earth.

Snowdog · 02-19-2004, 03:24 PM

Most of HoME is taken from notes and side scribbles and pieces of backstory and add-ons and ealier versions of what was published initially. I guess there is value in publishing such, but it seems more a way for CT to squeeze every last buck out of Tolkien fanatics.

I think the whole story of Faramir and Eowyn in the beginnings of the fourth age would make a book in itself if it was fully fleshed out.

eowyntje · 04-10-2005, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Finwe

Faramir "moved" to Emyn Arnen, along with his own Guard (a member of which was Beregond), and presumably was Aragorn's steward. He might have also rode out with Aragorn when the latter rode with Eomer to vanquish the remaining Haradrim, but he could have also remained behind to help govern Gondor in the King's absence.

How extremely interesting

Could you tell me a bit more about this?
When did Aragorn and Eomer ride out to vanquish the Haradrim? what happened?

((hope you don't mind me updating this topic, I'm new and i have no idea how strickt you are on bringing new life to old topics.))

Elianna · 04-10-2005, 04:28 PM

At the end of part II of Appen. A (aren't I a dweeb to start a sentence like that?), it says that Éomer renewed the Oath of Eorl...

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Often he fulfilled it. For though Sauron had passed, the hatreds and evils that he bred had not died, and the King of the West had many enemies to subdue before the White Tree could grew in peace. And whenever King Elessar went with war King Éomer went with him; and beyond the Sea of Rhûn and on the far fields of the South the thunder of the calvary of the Mark was heard, and the White Horse upon Green flew in many winds until Éomer grew old.

So maybe not "vanquishing", but beating some kind of battles against them.

Boromir88 · 04-13-2005, 06:20 PM

I doubt that Faramir would have gone with Aragorn and Eomer. It was the Stewards job to rule/administer and protect the city while the King was gone, or if until one returned. We see Mardil not go out with Earnur when he rides out to challenge the WK. The stewards took their duties very seriously, they were to sit at the throne and rule the city until the king would return, not to ride off into battle and leave the throne untended.

Elianna · 04-13-2005, 08:18 PM

Oops, you're right of couse Boromir88. Silly me...

Snowdog · 05-13-2005, 02:11 PM

Do you think that King Aragorn may have assigned Faramir any military duties in the field while he was not out in the field himself? He was in the service of the King. I never pictured the Stewards just sitting around when the King was in town.

02-05-2004, 07:53 PM	#1
Raptor Guest Posts: n/a	Faramir and Eowyn in the Fourth Age? Does anybody know what happened to Faamir and Eowyn during the 4th age? I know that they were married and became the Prince and Princess of Ithelien, but what happened after that does anybody know? [renamed thread title to something concrete. Sharkû] <font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:11 AM February 06, 2004: Message edited by: Sharkû ]

02-05-2004, 08:52 PM	#3
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	Faramir remained Steward of Gondor, and was made Prince of Ithilien. Eowyn became Princess. They had a child named Elboron, who had a son called Barahir. __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies

02-05-2004, 09:54 PM	#4
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Faramir "moved" to Emyn Arnen, along with his own Guard (a member of which was Beregond), and presumably was Aragorn's steward. He might have also rode out with Aragorn when the latter rode with Eomer to vanquish the remaining Haradrim, but he could have also remained behind to help govern Gondor in the King's absence. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

02-16-2004, 06:20 PM	#6
Orominuialwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: Umbar, but before the corsairs took over. (Ave Maria University, FL, USA) Posts: 632	Where did you find out about Elboron? I've never heard of them before. __________________ Gone for lentSeeyou at Easter! (And on Sundays too, maybe.)

02-17-2004, 01:13 PM	#8
Orominuialwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: Umbar, but before the corsairs took over. (Ave Maria University, FL, USA) Posts: 632	Thanks! I probably just haven't gotten to that part of HoME yet. __________________ Gone for lentSeeyou at Easter! (And on Sundays too, maybe.)

02-05-2004, 08:12 PM	#2
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Well, I can't tell you much but they had at least one kid - they had a grandson Barahir who was said to have written the full Tale of Aragorn and Arwen (Prologue to LotR). That's all I know. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:12 PM February 05, 2004: Message edited by: Firefoot ]

02-06-2004, 07:20 PM	#5
Raptor Guest Posts: n/a	Thank you! That was what I was looking for.

02-17-2004, 02:25 PM	#9
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	I warn you, Orominuialwen, it's not out in the open. Only fleeting reference is made to Elboron. I don't have my copy of HoME handy, so I can't say where it is exactly. If you want to find it, you really have to dig around in there a lot. As I said, it's not assured that Elboron is the name of Faramir and Eowyn's son, but it seems to fit. The Fourth Age was apparently inherited by people with the suffix El- in their names. Elfwine the Fair rules Rohan, Eldarion rules the Reunited Kingdom, and this Elboron possibly controls Ithilien. __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies

02-18-2004, 02:23 AM	#10
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	I haven't read that far in HoME either, but I do have the index on my bookshelf. The reference to Elboron, son of Faramir (there are several others uses of that name), is in Volume 12, The Peoples of Middle-earth. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

02-19-2004, 03:24 PM	#11
Snowdog Emperor of the South Pole Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Western Shore of Lake Evendim Posts: 632	Most of HoME is taken from notes and side scribbles and pieces of backstory and add-ons and ealier versions of what was published initially. I guess there is value in publishing such, but it seems more a way for CT to squeeze every last buck out of Tolkien fanatics. I think the whole story of Faramir and Eowyn in the beginnings of the fourth age would make a book in itself if it was fully fleshed out. Last edited by Snowdog; 05-13-2005 at 02:06 PM.

04-13-2005, 06:20 PM	#14
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,519	I doubt that Faramir would have gone with Aragorn and Eomer. It was the Stewards job to rule/administer and protect the city while the King was gone, or if until one returned. We see Mardil not go out with Earnur when he rides out to challenge the WK. The stewards took their duties very seriously, they were to sit at the throne and rule the city until the king would return, not to ride off into battle and leave the throne untended. __________________ Fenris Penguin

04-13-2005, 08:18 PM	#15
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	Oops, you're right of couse Boromir88. Silly me... __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

05-13-2005, 02:11 PM	#16
Snowdog Emperor of the South Pole Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Western Shore of Lake Evendim Posts: 632	Do you think that King Aragorn may have assigned Faramir any military duties in the field while he was not out in the field himself? He was in the service of the King. I never pictured the Stewards just sitting around when the King was in town.