Elvish Glass - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

rudeboy · 01-20-2004, 03:12 PM

When the mouth of Sauron appears at the black gate, he says to Aragon "it takes more than a piece of elvish glass to make a king". What is he talking about? Am I overlooking something really simple?

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 01-20-2004, 03:27 PM

He's speaking of the Elessar, the Elfstone. It's the green stone brooch that Galadriel gave Aragorn in Lorien, a sign of his lineage and so forth. The Mouth of Sauron is mocking his claim to the throne by simply having the Elfstone.

And to avoid confusion, Aragorn is named Elessar after the stone, it being the name he takes as King.

Arwen Evenstar · 01-20-2004, 05:39 PM

Couldn`t have said it better myself, Luthien_Tinuviel. I was confused at first, thinking I had gone to the Movies page. I hate when that happens! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Silmiel of Imladris · 01-20-2004, 06:43 PM

Wasn't he also wearing the Star of Elendil on his brow. I know he was wearing it when he came with the dead army but did he have it on at the gate? If so, can it also be counted as 'elvish glass'?

Elvish Archer · 01-20-2004, 07:54 PM

The previously postulated answer is correct; the "elvish glass" mocked by the Mouth of Sauron is the Elfstone given Aragorn by Galadriel.

On a more random thought however, what was the Star of Elendil? I know what it is but I can't put my finger on it...

Knight of Gondor · 01-20-2004, 09:21 PM

I was going to mention this on the movies forum sooner or later, but did you notice that in RotK, the Voice of Sauron says slowly: "Aaaaaragorn. Eeeeellsar." But the Elfstone was never shown, or mentioned! Galadriel calls him that too, in the EE.

The Dark Elf · 01-20-2004, 09:24 PM

I thoght the Mouth of sauron was making fun of Aragorns sword...

manaratowen · 01-20-2004, 10:57 PM

From the Complete Guide to Middle Earth:
Elessar : (Q.: 'elf-stone') The name under which Aragorn (q.v.) took the throne of the Reunited Kingdom. It was foretold for him by Galadriel, and was given him by the people of Gondor during the WR because of the great emerald brooch, a gift from Arwen, which he wore.

I dont know if this is truly correct, but its what i found. If im wrong, I apologise.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:58 PM January 20, 2004: Message edited by: manaratowen ]

01-20-2004, 03:12 PM	#1
rudeboy Animated Skeleton Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Flitwick, Beds Posts: 47	Elvish Glass When the mouth of Sauron appears at the black gate, he says to Aragon "it takes more than a piece of elvish glass to make a king". What is he talking about? Am I overlooking something really simple?

01-20-2004, 03:27 PM	#2
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	He's speaking of the Elessar, the Elfstone. It's the green stone brooch that Galadriel gave Aragorn in Lorien, a sign of his lineage and so forth. The Mouth of Sauron is mocking his claim to the throne by simply having the Elfstone. And to avoid confusion, Aragorn is named Elessar after the stone, it being the name he takes as King. __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

01-20-2004, 06:43 PM	#4
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	Wasn't he also wearing the Star of Elendil on his brow. I know he was wearing it when he came with the dead army but did he have it on at the gate? If so, can it also be counted as 'elvish glass'? __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

01-20-2004, 07:54 PM	#5
Elvish Archer Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Land of Insanity, State of Denial Posts: 36	The previously postulated answer is correct; the "elvish glass" mocked by the Mouth of Sauron is the Elfstone given Aragorn by Galadriel. On a more random thought however, what was the Star of Elendil? I know what it is but I can't put my finger on it... __________________ Fan of LotR, before it was a fad. He who laughs last, thinks slowest.

01-20-2004, 09:21 PM	#6
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	I was going to mention this on the movies forum sooner or later, but did you notice that in RotK, the Voice of Sauron says slowly: "Aaaaaragorn. Eeeeellsar." But the Elfstone was never shown, or mentioned! Galadriel calls him that too, in the EE. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

01-20-2004, 05:39 PM	#3
Arwen Evenstar Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 131	Couldn`t have said it better myself, Luthien_Tinuviel. I was confused at first, thinking I had gone to the Movies page. I hate when that happens! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

01-20-2004, 09:24 PM	#7
The Dark Elf Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Angmar Posts: 74	I thoght the Mouth of sauron was making fun of Aragorns sword... __________________ "Fool of a Took!"

01-20-2004, 10:57 PM	#8
manaratowen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wheaton Posts: 23	From the Complete Guide to Middle Earth: Elessar : (Q.: 'elf-stone') The name under which Aragorn (q.v.) took the throne of the Reunited Kingdom. It was foretold for him by Galadriel, and was given him by the people of Gondor during the WR because of the great emerald brooch, a gift from Arwen, which he wore. I dont know if this is truly correct, but its what i found. If im wrong, I apologise. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:58 PM January 20, 2004: Message edited by: manaratowen ] __________________ "If we deny love that is given to us, if we refuse to give love because we fear the pain of loss, then our lives will be empty, our loss greater."