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01-19-2004, 11:12 PM | #1 |
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How did Arwen see it......
Well in ROTK...how did Arwen see the vision of her son, does she also have the gift of fore-sight.. Are each of the elvens inserted with special different powers? If so, what was Arwens? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]
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01-20-2004, 02:43 AM | #2 |
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Victoria, I would not believe too much from the movies, if I were you. I can't remember having read anything like that scene in the books.
As a matter of fact, much of the Arwen and Elrond related stuff from the movies are made up by PJ or by the script writers.
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01-20-2004, 03:29 AM | #3 | |
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Most of what we know about Arwen (Tolkien's Arwen, that is - not Peter Jackson's) comes from Appendix A, The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen. It's definitely worth reading if you're interested in their story - one of my favorite passages (and the source for my forum nick [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ). We read that she apparently had some 'psychic' Elven abilities; at her first meeting with Aragorn, she predicted that her fate might be like that of Lúthien. Later, as Aragorn's betrothed, we are told:
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01-20-2004, 06:48 PM | #4 |
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Anyone heard of other elves predicting things besides Elrond, Arwen, and Galadirel? I am sure there are some, but who?
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01-21-2004, 06:18 PM | #5 | |
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No, that didn`t happen in the book. Though it did make a pretty good scene, didn`t it?
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01-21-2004, 09:40 PM | #6 |
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Yea it did,.. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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01-22-2004, 06:20 AM | #7 |
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Couldnt the lost seeing stones also see through time aswell as space??
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01-22-2004, 12:07 PM | #8 |
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The Palantiri could only transmit images and the thoughts of the other viewer (and then only with his approval).
All Elven mothers had the ability to, to a certain degree, to see the future of their children; therefore the name that a mother chose for her child was considered important, because it had significance to what the child would become. This does not go for unborn or would-be children though, so there is no chance Arwen can see her future son in my opinion. The Valar definately used telepathy (they did not have a language of their own and used Quenya when speaking with Elves) but I am unsure if this was a possiblity possessed by Elves. Estelyn, which Elves would you say had the power of telepathy? I assume Galadriel had to a certain extent, but I believe that was rather Nenya than any innate power that she possessed.
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01-22-2004, 02:43 PM | #9 | |
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Here's the passage from RotK, Chapter 'Many Partings', that tells about it:
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Tolkien called this concept "Osanwe" and wrote about it in the publication "Osanwe-kenta". For those who would like to read more, I recommend the thread A review: JRRT's Osanwe-Kenta. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 3:43 PM January 22, 2004: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ]
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01-22-2004, 03:08 PM | #10 | |
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Prophecies
The example of Elven prophecy that springs immediately to my mind is from the appendices to The Lord of the Rings:
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01-23-2004, 08:46 AM | #11 |
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Thanks Estelyn! I have been wondering about this and am glad to find some info about it. But I guess it is mostly limited to those Elves who have powerful spirits; perhaps that link you provided will shed light on that.
Oh, and yeah Squatter, had forgotten about Glorfindel. Also we have from Arthedain Malbeth the Seer, who appears to be a somewhat unique prophet in Middle-earth.
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