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Earendil evening star · 11-18-2002, 10:35 AM

Ok I'm confused
So the answer is obviously gollum/smeagol right?
but i can't find anywhere in the book where it states that he came from the shire.
Correct me if i'm wrong

luv
Earendil evening star
(elise xxx)
ps, v. confused so help quickly b4 i go crazy (possibly 2 late already)

*Varda* · 11-18-2002, 10:39 AM

Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!

I know I already welcomed you here, like 5 times at school or something, and I already talked about this...but I have my book now.

So I looked...because it was annoying me too...and it's NOT there! Sunday Times...ought to read the book before making a riddle.

Varda Elentari

Galorme · 11-18-2002, 11:13 AM

I don’t think that it does say whether or not he came from the Shire, but he lived near a river. I assume he lived near the Gladden Fields, which I believe are quite a way from the Shire. I would have to check the book, I haven't read LoTRs for a while.

Checked: No he lived in Wilderland, by the Great River (Query: Whats the name of that river in the LoTRs? Is it the one the Fellowship travel down in the elven boats? Or is that the River Running?), which is beyond the Misty Mountains in terms of the position of the shire. So no he didn't live in the Shire.

Earendil evening star · 11-18-2002, 11:22 AM

riddles
they r interlinked

"Who is the one who was born in the shire
and followed the ring into the mountain of fire?"
and
"Who is the one who, hidden from view,
Heard what the fellowship first planned to do?"

What do u think?
luv
elise xxx

*Varda* · 11-18-2002, 11:30 AM

Galorme, the Great River was the River Anduin.

And you recieve PMs simply by going into your profile (look at the top of page, right along from big BarrowDowns sign)

Once in there, go down the page.

Varda Elentari

Galorme · 11-18-2002, 11:35 AM

Yep its wrong. Hmm did Gollum ever even enter the shire? I dont think he did. Maybe he came from the Shire was a reference to the fact he was a hobbit, or sortofhobbitishl. Maybe they are just basing it on the Movie, where where he came from is ambigous.

Earendil evening star · 11-18-2002, 11:49 AM

Ok bonus riddle confusing me
"Who was the one who after the quest,
was the last of the ringbearers to return to the west?"
help?!
is it Sam or Frodo then?
luv
Earendil xxx

*Varda* · 11-18-2002, 11:53 AM

Sam.

In the Appendices...

Quote:

Among them the tradition is handed down from Elanor that Samwise passed the Towers, and went to the Grey Havens, and passed over Sea, last of the Ring-bearers

Although, I just noticed that it said RETURN to the West. In that case....since Frodo and Sam never CAME from the West...it would be..Gandalf or Galadriel, since they were the only ones originally from the West in the first place.

But I think it was just the riddle that was messed up, and they mean Sam.

Going to sue this paper. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: *Varda* ]

Earendil evening star · 11-18-2002, 11:57 AM

so the answer is Sam?
but then the first riddle was a bit misleading wasn't it?
luv
earendil evening star
xxx
ps check ur PMs

*Varda* · 11-18-2002, 11:59 AM

*looks at PMs* *sees nothing*

In any case, this is stupidly ambiguous, and it's driving me insane!

The Witch-King of Angmar · 11-18-2002, 12:25 PM

Can anyone tell me what this is all about? I'm from Germany and obviously I don't read the Sunday Times. Can anyone post the riddles? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Galorme · 11-18-2002, 12:33 PM

Who was the one who after the quest,
was the last of the ringbearers to return to the west?"

The problem with this one being Return, since none of the ring bearers were ever in the west in the first place.

"Who is the one who was born in the shire
and followed the ring into the mountain of fire?"

The problem being Followed the Ring, which is an obvious reference to Gollum. Thought thinking about it, Sam followed Frodo and thus the ring into the mountain of fire, or at least into a cave in the mountain. Are all these riddles supposed to refer to the same person?

"Who is the one who, hidden from view,
Heard what the fellowship first planned to do?"
Sam, without a shadow of a doubt. I think.

The Witch-King of Angmar · 11-18-2002, 12:37 PM

Thx. The first two are really ambiguous(correctly written? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]).

burrahobbit · 11-18-2002, 01:08 PM

THIS IS NOT A CHAT ROOM.

P.S. Sam

[ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: burrahobbit ]

Nieninque · 11-18-2002, 06:23 PM

"Who is the one who, hidden from view,
Heard what the fellowship first planned to do?"

Perhaps the Ring itself? I know I'm stretching it a bit, but the Ring has its own 'personality' (after a fashion), at least that's the feeling I get from it...

Neferchoirwen · 11-18-2002, 09:31 PM

It was Sam...he was born in the Shire, and was spying on Gandalf and Frodo when they were talking aboit what to do with the Ring.

Tricky thing, that riddle.

~nef

[ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: Neferchoirwen ]

Earendil evening star · 11-20-2002, 05:35 AM

Sure its Sam but this paper is all wrong
i'm gonna wait till the last riddle b4 i eneter the comp.
luv
elise xxx
ps sorry bout the whole 'not a chatroom' thing, i'm really new

Earendil evening star · 11-20-2002, 05:57 AM

and yes the riddles are all supposed to be the same person

LePetitChoux · 11-20-2002, 11:12 AM

Nooooooooooooooo! In the first ever ever sunday times with the riddle I was soo gleeful that I went and entered online without reading it first. bad bad move. I put Frodo!!!!!!Aaaaargh!

Oh, and bu the way, it's

Quote:

Who is the one who, after the quest,
Was the last of the ringbearers into the west?

So it does make sense.

[ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: LePetitChoux ]

Arwen1858 · 11-20-2002, 01:07 PM

Where are y'all getting these riddles? Can I access them online? They look like fun!
Arwen

Meela · 11-24-2002, 06:29 AM

somehow i dont think gollum married and had all those children.

11-18-2002, 10:35 AM	#1
Earendil evening star Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 26	Sunday Times Riddle Ok I'm confused So the answer is obviously gollum/smeagol right? but i can't find anywhere in the book where it states that he came from the shire. Correct me if i'm wrong luv Earendil evening star (elise xxx) ps, v. confused so help quickly b4 i go crazy (possibly 2 late already) __________________ "Earendil,the Evening Star,and most beloved of the elves,shone clear above" Chapter vII

11-18-2002, 10:39 AM	#2
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 571	Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo! I know I already welcomed you here, like 5 times at school or something, and I already talked about this...but I have my book now. So I looked...because it was annoying me too...and it's NOT there! Sunday Times...ought to read the book before making a riddle. Varda Elentari __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

11-18-2002, 11:13 AM	#3
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	I don’t think that it does say whether or not he came from the Shire, but he lived near a river. I assume he lived near the Gladden Fields, which I believe are quite a way from the Shire. I would have to check the book, I haven't read LoTRs for a while. Checked: No he lived in Wilderland, by the Great River (Query: Whats the name of that river in the LoTRs? Is it the one the Fellowship travel down in the elven boats? Or is that the River Running?), which is beyond the Misty Mountains in terms of the position of the shire. So no he didn't live in the Shire. __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

11-18-2002, 11:22 AM	#4
Earendil evening star Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 26	riddles they r interlinked "Who is the one who was born in the shire and followed the ring into the mountain of fire?" and "Who is the one who, hidden from view, Heard what the fellowship first planned to do?" What do u think? luv elise xxx __________________ "Earendil,the Evening Star,and most beloved of the elves,shone clear above" Chapter vII

11-18-2002, 11:30 AM	#5
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 571	Galorme, the Great River was the River Anduin. And you recieve PMs simply by going into your profile (look at the top of page, right along from big BarrowDowns sign) Once in there, go down the page. Varda Elentari __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

11-18-2002, 11:35 AM	#6
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	Yep its wrong. Hmm did Gollum ever even enter the shire? I dont think he did. Maybe he came from the Shire was a reference to the fact he was a hobbit, or sortofhobbitishl. Maybe they are just basing it on the Movie, where where he came from is ambigous. __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

11-18-2002, 11:49 AM	#7
Earendil evening star Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 26	Ok bonus riddle confusing me "Who was the one who after the quest, was the last of the ringbearers to return to the west?" help?! is it Sam or Frodo then? luv Earendil xxx __________________ "Earendil,the Evening Star,and most beloved of the elves,shone clear above" Chapter vII

11-18-2002, 11:57 AM	#9
Earendil evening star Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 26	so the answer is Sam? but then the first riddle was a bit misleading wasn't it? luv earendil evening star xxx ps check ur PMs __________________ "Earendil,the Evening Star,and most beloved of the elves,shone clear above" Chapter vII

11-18-2002, 11:59 AM	#10
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 571	looks at PMs sees nothing In any case, this is stupidly ambiguous, and it's driving me insane! __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

11-18-2002, 12:25 PM	#11
The Witch-King of Angmar Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Berlin Posts: 31	Can anyone tell me what this is all about? I'm from Germany and obviously I don't read the Sunday Times. Can anyone post the riddles? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "He who breaks a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom."

11-18-2002, 12:33 PM	#12
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	Who was the one who after the quest, was the last of the ringbearers to return to the west?" The problem with this one being Return, since none of the ring bearers were ever in the west in the first place. "Who is the one who was born in the shire and followed the ring into the mountain of fire?" The problem being Followed the Ring, which is an obvious reference to Gollum. Thought thinking about it, Sam followed Frodo and thus the ring into the mountain of fire, or at least into a cave in the mountain. Are all these riddles supposed to refer to the same person? "Who is the one who, hidden from view, Heard what the fellowship first planned to do?" Sam, without a shadow of a doubt. I think. __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

11-18-2002, 12:37 PM	#13
The Witch-King of Angmar Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Berlin Posts: 31	Thx. The first two are really ambiguous(correctly written? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]). __________________ "He who breaks a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom."

11-18-2002, 01:08 PM	#14
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	THIS IS NOT A CHAT ROOM. P.S. Sam [ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: burrahobbit ] __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

11-18-2002, 06:23 PM	#15
Nieninque Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: East Bight Posts: 67	"Who is the one who, hidden from view, Heard what the fellowship first planned to do?" Perhaps the Ring itself? I know I'm stretching it a bit, but the Ring has its own 'personality' (after a fashion), at least that's the feeling I get from it... __________________ ----- Legolas: A red sun rises in the East. Blood has been spilt this night. Aragorn: Goddamn elf's talking to himself again! I'm surrounded by weirdos...

11-18-2002, 09:31 PM	#16
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	It was Sam...he was born in the Shire, and was spying on Gandalf and Frodo when they were talking aboit what to do with the Ring. Tricky thing, that riddle. ~nef [ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: Neferchoirwen ] __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

11-20-2002, 05:35 AM	#17
Earendil evening star Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 26	Sure its Sam but this paper is all wrong i'm gonna wait till the last riddle b4 i eneter the comp. luv elise xxx ps sorry bout the whole 'not a chatroom' thing, i'm really new __________________ "Earendil,the Evening Star,and most beloved of the elves,shone clear above" Chapter vII

11-20-2002, 05:57 AM	#18
Earendil evening star Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 26	and yes the riddles are all supposed to be the same person __________________ "Earendil,the Evening Star,and most beloved of the elves,shone clear above" Chapter vII

11-20-2002, 01:07 PM	#20
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	Where are y'all getting these riddles? Can I access them online? They look like fun! Arwen __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

11-24-2002, 06:29 AM	#21
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	somehow i dont think gollum married and had all those children. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.