Insignias, Crests whatever of the Elves..... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

busybee · 11-11-2002, 08:50 AM

On th side of my map of Beleriand book there are these symbols,crests whaever they are called, of the Elves or Men i'm not sure.
Anyway i was wondering who they are of or what are they?
EG:There is one which is a circle its flowery in blue-green colours its looks like the one on the cover of the Sil except lighter coloured, anyway I think someone told me its the sign of Luthien?there is another one like it in Black, and bright colours.
Also there is one in the shape of a Square on its edge ie a Diamond Its Blue with white stars on it i think its supposed to be Gil-Galad?
For ppl who have the Sil box set there is a piece of paper i think with the names of the symbols on them so u might know...
Anyway pleeze help.Any info on any of the crests is welcome
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***Sharkû*** · 11-11-2002, 12:53 PM

Tolkien drew a number of those for various people and houses of the First Age mainly. These drawings appear in the book of pictures by JRR Tolkien.

I also suggest having a look at THIS, busybee.

Tigerlily Gamgee · 11-11-2002, 08:02 PM

The first two you mention are both for Luthien. The last is Gil-Galad, I believe.

[EDIT: I tried to steer around linking to the well-known site myself, because of its dubious (or, rather, very definitely illegal) legal status. And don't ask which site and which URL, folks. -Sharkû]

[ November 11, 2002: Message edited by: Sharkû ]

Frodo Baggins · 11-14-2002, 03:17 PM

Ok what happened to the link to all the crests?? I really need to see those again, I need them for a project and accidentally only saved half.

Help?

busybee · 11-19-2002, 11:53 AM

This may seem wierd but what r u talking about Tigerlily?And the same Q for Sharku

[ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: busybee ]

LePetitChoux · 11-19-2002, 12:26 PM

I recently downloaded some crests from a site...
*digs around for it*
aah, here they are, in all their glory:

Enjoy!

I changed the images to my own site :-)

[ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: LePetitChoux ]

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Tigerlily Gamgee · 11-19-2002, 10:49 PM

Those are from the site that I had linked to earlier, that was removed. I really don't understand what Sharku means in the insert in my last post either. Perhaps we are not supposed to go to that site or something.

Alkanoonion · 11-19-2002, 11:05 PM

I would suggest the site has illegally copied the pics with out permission from the Tolkien estate.

Also direct linking to another web page is illegal as each time someone views the pictures the host is paying for it. That is why you should save the pics to your own server first ( by server I am talking about web host not your hard drive) and then post them.

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Alkanoonion · 11-20-2002, 04:30 PM

LePetitChoux your pics are now not working did you post them to a web host?

***Sharkû*** · 11-21-2002, 05:42 AM

Complete scanned books of Tolkien on a Russian site = against copyright.

Alkanoonion · 11-21-2002, 05:55 AM

Thanks for the clarification
Not being acquainted with the site myself, I was unaware that they had posted the whole book; I assumed it was just the pictures used which is also bad. I believe that you are legally permitted 2 pages or 10% which ever is the lesser amount for personal use only. But I am not 100% on that so to be safe never use any data without prier permission first from the owner.
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HerenIstarion · 11-21-2002, 06:19 AM

since USSR joined international copyright protection assembly (or something similar, I'm not quite sure of the nomenclature) in May, 1973, books published prior to this date in the original language were considered as legal for publishing in translation without buying rights or any additional negotiations. I don't know current legal situation in Russia concerning that matter, though.

LePetitChoux · 11-21-2002, 11:21 AM

Oh nooooo no noooooo! they're not working! Ah, well, I guess they were up long enough for all those interested to see.

busybee · 11-22-2002, 12:49 PM

Come on LePetiteChoux you should know all these things on Russia.......
All i know is that you get a lot of pirated videos and CD's in Russia eg:All the Sims for 2pounds!
Also randomly I heard somewhere you can get LOTR skins.....is it true??There probably is a Topic on this..........
Ahh yes there is!
ok i know completely off topic

11-11-2002, 08:50 AM	#1
busybee Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood, Lothlorien...dream...actually the middle of nowhere...Mumbai Posts: 89	Insignias, Crests whatever of the Elves..... On th side of my map of Beleriand book there are these symbols,crests whaever they are called, of the Elves or Men i'm not sure. Anyway i was wondering who they are of or what are they? EG:There is one which is a circle its flowery in blue-green colours its looks like the one on the cover of the Sil except lighter coloured, anyway I think someone told me its the sign of Luthien?there is another one like it in Black, and bright colours. Also there is one in the shape of a Square on its edge ie a Diamond Its Blue with white stars on it i think its supposed to be Gil-Galad? For ppl who have the Sil box set there is a piece of paper i think with the names of the symbols on them so u might know... Anyway pleeze help.Any info on any of the crests is welcome [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Pleeze does anyone know of a magical doorway or something to Middle Earth!?!?

11-11-2002, 08:02 PM	#3
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	The first two you mention are both for Luthien. The last is Gil-Galad, I believe. [EDIT: I tried to steer around linking to the well-known site myself, because of its dubious (or, rather, very definitely illegal) legal status. And don't ask which site and which URL, folks. -Sharkû] [ November 11, 2002: Message edited by: Sharkû ] __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

11-14-2002, 03:17 PM	#4
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Ok what happened to the link to all the crests?? I really need to see those again, I need them for a project and accidentally only saved half. Help? __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

11-19-2002, 11:53 AM	#5
busybee Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood, Lothlorien...dream...actually the middle of nowhere...Mumbai Posts: 89	This may seem wierd but what r u talking about Tigerlily?And the same Q for Sharku [ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: busybee ] __________________ Pleeze does anyone know of a magical doorway or something to Middle Earth!?!?

11-19-2002, 12:26 PM	#6
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 720	I recently downloaded some crests from a site... digs around for it aah, here they are, in all their glory: Enjoy! I changed the images to my own site :-) [ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: LePetitChoux ] [ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: LePetitChoux ] __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

11-11-2002, 12:53 PM	#2
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	Tolkien drew a number of those for various people and houses of the First Age mainly. These drawings appear in the book of pictures by JRR Tolkien. I also suggest having a look at THIS, busybee.

11-19-2002, 10:49 PM	#7
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	Those are from the site that I had linked to earlier, that was removed. I really don't understand what Sharku means in the insert in my last post either. Perhaps we are not supposed to go to that site or something. __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

11-19-2002, 11:05 PM	#8
Alkanoonion Spirit in Eriador Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Adelaide Posts: 392	I would suggest the site has illegally copied the pics with out permission from the Tolkien estate. Also direct linking to another web page is illegal as each time someone views the pictures the host is paying for it. That is why you should save the pics to your own server first ( by server I am talking about web host not your hard drive) and then post them. [ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: Alkanoonion ] [ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: Alkanoonion ] __________________ In prosperity our friends know us; in adversity we know our friends.

11-20-2002, 04:30 PM	#9
Alkanoonion Spirit in Eriador Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Adelaide Posts: 392	LePetitChoux your pics are now not working did you post them to a web host? __________________ In prosperity our friends know us; in adversity we know our friends.

11-21-2002, 05:42 AM	#10
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	Complete scanned books of Tolkien on a Russian site = against copyright.

11-21-2002, 05:55 AM	#11
Alkanoonion Spirit in Eriador Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Adelaide Posts: 392	Thanks for the clarification Not being acquainted with the site myself, I was unaware that they had posted the whole book; I assumed it was just the pictures used which is also bad. I believe that you are legally permitted 2 pages or 10% which ever is the lesser amount for personal use only. But I am not 100% on that so to be safe never use any data without prier permission first from the owner. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ In prosperity our friends know us; in adversity we know our friends.

11-21-2002, 06:19 AM	#12
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	since USSR joined international copyright protection assembly (or something similar, I'm not quite sure of the nomenclature) in May, 1973, books published prior to this date in the original language were considered as legal for publishing in translation without buying rights or any additional negotiations. I don't know current legal situation in Russia concerning that matter, though. __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

11-21-2002, 11:21 AM	#13
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 720	Oh nooooo no noooooo! they're not working! Ah, well, I guess they were up long enough for all those interested to see. __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

11-22-2002, 12:49 PM	#14
busybee Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood, Lothlorien...dream...actually the middle of nowhere...Mumbai Posts: 89	Come on LePetiteChoux you should know all these things on Russia....... All i know is that you get a lot of pirated videos and CD's in Russia eg:All the Sims for 2pounds! Also randomly I heard somewhere you can get LOTR skins.....is it true??There probably is a Topic on this.......... Ahh yes there is! ok i know completely off topic __________________ Pleeze does anyone know of a magical doorway or something to Middle Earth!?!?