Palantiri - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Dunadun · 04-06-2003, 05:59 PM

I know this must be a stupid question but I don't have a copy of any books other than the Hobbit and LOTR. Where were all the palantiri supposed to be located.

Talon Stormcrow · 04-06-2003, 06:24 PM

Hmmm.. i tried the search engine but couldnt really find a thread that says this. So I'll just tell ya [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]. I believe that one was supposed to be in Osgiliath, Minas Ithil, Minas Anor, Orthanc, Emyn Beriad (sp?), Amon Sul and I think its Annuminias... someone correct me if im wrong. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ April 06, 2003: Message edited by: Talon Stormcrow ]

HCIsland · 04-06-2003, 08:22 PM

Fornost too I believe.

Editted to add: Okay, I looked it up.

Emyn Beraid (Tower Hills), Amon Sul, Annuminas (near Fornost), Minas Ithil (Minas Morgul), Minas Anor (Minas Tirith), Orthanc & Osgiliath.

How Talon, did you do that from memory.

H.C.

[ April 06, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

Talon Stormcrow · 04-06-2003, 09:21 PM

Oh, not all from memory. I wish i could remember like that! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] hehe I had to look up a couple... they were Emyn Beraid and Annuminias. Its usually the long ones I forget! lol

Dunadun · 04-07-2003, 03:52 AM

Thanks for the help guys.

Adanadhel · 04-07-2003, 06:26 PM

More useless knowledge form a topic often discussed... but it is one of my favorites.

The question is not where were they, but where are they.

1. Orthanc Stone - In Minas Tirith, with Aragorn.
2. Arnor Stone - In Minas Tirith, in the hands of Denethor in the tomb of the stewards.
3. Ithil Stone - Destroyed? Was in Barad Dur with Saruron... but who knows.
4. & 5. Amon Sul & Annuminas Stones - Lost at sea north of the Grey Havens.
6. Osgiliath Stone - Lost in the Anduin in the kinstrife wars.
7. Tower Hills Stone - Taken back to The Undying Lands by Gandalf and Co. (IMO, It should have been given to Aragorn, since it was rightfully his, but it was only good for looking toward the Undying lands so not such a big loss... but I'm sure Arwen would have liked it to keep in touch with family.)

The stones are one of my favorite topics in Tolkien. (Along with the Elessar and the forging of the rings..........)

HCIsland · 04-07-2003, 08:55 PM

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IMO, It should have been given to Aragorn, since it was rightfully his, but it was only good for looking toward the Undying lands so not such a big loss... but I'm sure Arwen would have liked it to keep in touch with family.

I see what your getting at, but I think the idea here is a closing of the chapter of this world in which the Undying Lands play a role. We are on our own now.

H.C.

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-08-2003, 07:44 PM

So, if all of the other Palantiri were either lost, in Valinor or in the hands of a dead man (and, in the case of Denethor's, on the blink anyway [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] ), what was the use of the one Palantir left with Aragorn in Minas Tirith? He couldn't use it to communicate with the others (it seems a fair assumption that he couldn't use it in conjuctiuon with the Seeing Stone in Valinor), so it had no practical value. Presumably, he just retained it as an artefact of his ancestry.

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 04-08-2003, 11:43 PM

Well, I would have thought that when through the palantir, it would show you what you may see (sort of like Galadriel's Mirror), like when Denethor saw the coming of the ships. But is the reason he saw the ships because Aragorn had the palantir with him, so Denethor would not have seen it had the palantir not been with Aragorn? And if so (and I do think so), then when you look into a palantir, can you see a view out of the palantir, as if it were an eye, or does it give you a surrounding view of the area the palantir is in, like an ariel view (which might explain to me why Denethor could see whole fleets of ships)?

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-09-2003, 11:17 PM

I thought they had discussed the idea of using the Palantir to look where you would. In the chapter where Pippin looks into the Palantir, doesn't Gandalf tell him that he doesn't have the strength to direct it, but that using the link between the stones Sauron can direct his view? Then when Aragorn uses it he forces it to obey him, doesn't he? *biting lip* these are only my impressions, not to be taken as authoritative, for I haven't read that part of the book in a while, and I'm working from memory.

Sophia

04-06-2003, 05:59 PM	#1
Dunadun Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ...my...computer Posts: 11	Palantiri I know this must be a stupid question but I don't have a copy of any books other than the Hobbit and LOTR. Where were all the palantiri supposed to be located. __________________ We're not schitso we just disagree alot.

04-06-2003, 06:24 PM	#2
Talon Stormcrow Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Realm of the Sons of Elendil the Fair Posts: 42	Hmmm.. i tried the search engine but couldnt really find a thread that says this. So I'll just tell ya [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]. I believe that one was supposed to be in Osgiliath, Minas Ithil, Minas Anor, Orthanc, Emyn Beriad (sp?), Amon Sul and I think its Annuminias... someone correct me if im wrong. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ April 06, 2003: Message edited by: Talon Stormcrow ] __________________ -Talon- "Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens" -Gimli Son of Gloin.

04-06-2003, 08:22 PM	#3
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	Fornost too I believe. Editted to add: Okay, I looked it up. Emyn Beraid (Tower Hills), Amon Sul, Annuminas (near Fornost), Minas Ithil (Minas Morgul), Minas Anor (Minas Tirith), Orthanc & Osgiliath. How Talon, did you do that from memory. H.C. [ April 06, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ] __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

04-06-2003, 09:21 PM	#4
Talon Stormcrow Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Realm of the Sons of Elendil the Fair Posts: 42	Oh, not all from memory. I wish i could remember like that! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] hehe I had to look up a couple... they were Emyn Beraid and Annuminias. Its usually the long ones I forget! lol __________________ -Talon- "Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens" -Gimli Son of Gloin.

04-07-2003, 03:52 AM	#5
Dunadun Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ...my...computer Posts: 11	Thanks for the help guys. __________________ We're not schitso we just disagree alot.

04-07-2003, 06:26 PM	#6
Adanadhel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New England Posts: 35	More useless knowledge form a topic often discussed... but it is one of my favorites. The question is not where were they, but where are they. 1. Orthanc Stone - In Minas Tirith, with Aragorn. 2. Arnor Stone - In Minas Tirith, in the hands of Denethor in the tomb of the stewards. 3. Ithil Stone - Destroyed? Was in Barad Dur with Saruron... but who knows. 4. & 5. Amon Sul & Annuminas Stones - Lost at sea north of the Grey Havens. 6. Osgiliath Stone - Lost in the Anduin in the kinstrife wars. 7. Tower Hills Stone - Taken back to The Undying Lands by Gandalf and Co. (IMO, It should have been given to Aragorn, since it was rightfully his, but it was only good for looking toward the Undying lands so not such a big loss... but I'm sure Arwen would have liked it to keep in touch with family.) The stones are one of my favorite topics in Tolkien. (Along with the Elessar and the forging of the rings..........) __________________ I don't feel safe in Middle Earth no more... I don't want to die in the ruling ring war... I want to sail away to a distant shore... and make like an ELF man

04-08-2003, 07:44 PM	#8
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	So, if all of the other Palantiri were either lost, in Valinor or in the hands of a dead man (and, in the case of Denethor's, on the blink anyway [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] ), what was the use of the one Palantir left with Aragorn in Minas Tirith? He couldn't use it to communicate with the others (it seems a fair assumption that he couldn't use it in conjuctiuon with the Seeing Stone in Valinor), so it had no practical value. Presumably, he just retained it as an artefact of his ancestry. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

04-08-2003, 11:43 PM	#9
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Well, I would have thought that when through the palantir, it would show you what you may see (sort of like Galadriel's Mirror), like when Denethor saw the coming of the ships. But is the reason he saw the ships because Aragorn had the palantir with him, so Denethor would not have seen it had the palantir not been with Aragorn? And if so (and I do think so), then when you look into a palantir, can you see a view out of the palantir, as if it were an eye, or does it give you a surrounding view of the area the palantir is in, like an ariel view (which might explain to me why Denethor could see whole fleets of ships)? __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

04-09-2003, 11:17 PM	#10
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	I thought they had discussed the idea of using the Palantir to look where you would. In the chapter where Pippin looks into the Palantir, doesn't Gandalf tell him that he doesn't have the strength to direct it, but that using the link between the stones Sauron can direct his view? Then when Aragorn uses it he forces it to obey him, doesn't he? biting lip these are only my impressions, not to be taken as authoritative, for I haven't read that part of the book in a while, and I'm working from memory. Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!