The Line of the Dwaves of Erebor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mhoram · 04-04-2002, 10:24 PM

I just finished making this, I like having these sorts of things in text format for posting on forums at need. It's identical to the one in Appendix A of the LOTR, except a couple points/notes I added in that help with grasping the time of things.

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The Line of the Dwaves of Erebor

But it is not known when Durin or his brethren first awoke, though some think that
it was at the time of the departure of the Eldar over sea. (Around 1130 YT)

Elves awake - FA 1050 YT
:
Durin I (the Deathless)
(First Age)
:
Dwaves enter Belerian - 1250 YT
:
3840 years pass
:
Durin II
SA 750
:
Durin III
SA 1500s
:
3700 years pass
:
Durin VI
TA 1731-1980
|
Nain I
1832-1981
|
Thrain I
1934-2190
|
Thorin I
2035-2289
|
Gloin
2136-2385
|
Oin
2238-2488
|
Nain II
2338-2585
|____________________________
| |
Dain I Borin
2440-2589 2450-2718
_________________________________________| |
| | | |
Thror Fror Gror Farin
2542-2790 2552-2589 2563-2805 2560-2803
| | _________|___________
| | | |
Thrain II Nain Fundin Groin
2644-2850 2665-2799 2662-2799 2671-2923
|__________________________ | _____|_____ ______|______
| | | | | | | |
Thorin II Frerin Dis Dain II Balin Dwalin Oin Gloin
Oakenshield 2751- 2760 Ironfoot 2763- 2772- 2774- 2783-
2746-2941 2799 | 2767-3019 2994 3112 2994 F.A. 15
______________| | |
| | Thorin III Gimli
Fili Kili Stonehelm Elf-friend
2859- 2864- 2866 2879-3141
2941 2941 : (F.A.100)
(Durin VII & Last)

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[ April 04, 2002: Message edited by: Mhoram ]

Mhoram · 04-04-2002, 11:33 PM

Tolkien decided that Dwaves would live to right around 250 before dying of old age and would marry and have kids right around 100. It seems really suspicious with how closely that is kept, never varing by more than two or three years.

I wanted to try to zone in on the time of the dwarves awakening but I dont' think it will happen, 1130YT is probally the best guess to be had. It's a shame the Dwarves weren't better documented.

[ April 05, 2002: Message edited by: Mhoram ]

Kuruharan · 04-05-2002, 08:07 AM

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Tolkien decided that Dwaves would live to right around 250 before dying of old age and would marry and have kids right around 100. It seems really suspicious with how closely that is kept, never varing by more than two or three years.

Perhaps the Dwarves were more strict about marriage at that time. They probably did not have a great deal of control over the time of their death, but maybe their bodies were just designed to quit at 250 (although Dain lived past 250 and was still going strong before being killed.)

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It's a shame the Dwarves weren't better documented.

Very true.

Glim Iceholder · 04-06-2002, 08:02 PM

Did tolkien really mean to put Dwalin as living 340 years. I can't imagine he did but with all the editing LOTR went through how would an error like that escape him.

Mhoram · 04-06-2002, 08:33 PM

Oh wow, I never noticed that he lived that long. That really is unreal.

04-04-2002, 10:24 PM	#1
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361	The Line of the Dwaves of Erebor I just finished making this, I like having these sorts of things in text format for posting on forums at need. It's identical to the one in Appendix A of the LOTR, except a couple points/notes I added in that help with grasping the time of things. <pre> The Line of the Dwaves of Erebor But it is not known when Durin or his brethren first awoke, though some think that it was at the time of the departure of the Eldar over sea. (Around 1130 YT) Elves awake - FA 1050 YT : Durin I (the Deathless) (First Age) : Dwaves enter Belerian - 1250 YT : 3840 years pass : Durin II SA 750 : Durin III SA 1500s : 3700 years pass : Durin VI TA 1731-1980 \| Nain I 1832-1981 \| Thrain I 1934-2190 \| Thorin I 2035-2289 \| Gloin 2136-2385 \| Oin 2238-2488 \| Nain II 2338-2585 \|____________________________ \| \| Dain I Borin 2440-2589 2450-2718 _________________________________________\| \| \| \| \| \| Thror Fror Gror Farin 2542-2790 2552-2589 2563-2805 2560-2803 \| \| _________\|___________ \| \| \| \| Thrain II Nain Fundin Groin 2644-2850 2665-2799 2662-2799 2671-2923 \|__________________________ \| _____\|_____ ______\|______ \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| Thorin II Frerin Dis Dain II Balin Dwalin Oin Gloin Oakenshield 2751- 2760 Ironfoot 2763- 2772- 2774- 2783- 2746-2941 2799 \| 2767-3019 2994 3112 2994 F.A. 15 ______________\| \| \| \| \| Thorin III Gimli Fili Kili Stonehelm Elf-friend 2859- 2864- 2866 2879-3141 2941 2941 : (F.A.100) (Durin VII & Last) </pre> [ April 04, 2002: Message edited by: Mhoram ]

04-04-2002, 11:33 PM	#2
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361	Tolkien decided that Dwaves would live to right around 250 before dying of old age and would marry and have kids right around 100. It seems really suspicious with how closely that is kept, never varing by more than two or three years. I wanted to try to zone in on the time of the dwarves awakening but I dont' think it will happen, 1130YT is probally the best guess to be had. It's a shame the Dwarves weren't better documented. [ April 05, 2002: Message edited by: Mhoram ]

04-06-2002, 08:02 PM	#4
Glim Iceholder Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 24	Did tolkien really mean to put Dwalin as living 340 years. I can't imagine he did but with all the editing LOTR went through how would an error like that escape him.

04-06-2002, 08:33 PM	#5
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361	Oh wow, I never noticed that he lived that long. That really is unreal.