Did JRRT ever meet Dr. Seuss? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-28-2024, 03:58 PM

Just a speculation- but Theodore Seuss Geisel was a graduate student in English at Oxford from 1925-1927, just as Tolkien was beginning his tenure of the R&B chair.

***Mithadan*** · 05-29-2024, 03:05 PM

I suppose that it is possible. Dr. Seuss' papers are at Dartmouth, if I'm not mistaken, if someone wants to undertake a research project. I do not know if they have his letters or materials from his youth, as opposed to his writings.

Morthoron · 05-29-2024, 08:50 PM

Well...Gollum can be quite Grinchy and vice versa. They are both disgruntled misanthropes who live in the mountains. They are both prone to thievery. The Grinch hates Christmases and Gollum hates Hobbitses.

Bêthberry · 05-30-2024, 06:27 AM

This online archive of the Dr. Seuss collection mentions Seuss's 1925/26 Oxford University Notebook. http://https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/tf1000043t/entire_text/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR1qoxACMkpuq12N52V_mC7k ZupyeMQ8IjOHYFYqlqyj7CBpza1MaFeudes_aem_AY2clyCbEp pg-6TSg7IRbO2F1oW4j_Y2kt0yitlbRIzz0OtOk7_sSoMFVcwAGmp XJs-e4ppEjudBvrmhqCDbwLRn

Apparently there is a NYT article which discusses the Notebook but I don't have a subscription.

Information brought to you by some of my fellow Tolkienists who responded to my query elsewhere, seeing as I was too busy to suss anything out.

Bêthberry · 05-30-2024, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Morthoron

Well...Gollum can be quite Grinchy and vice versa. They are both disgruntled misanthropes who live in the mountains. They are both prone to thievery. The Grinch hates Christmases and Gollum hates Hobbitses.

Let us not forget that Bilbo is prone to thievery too.

***Mithadan*** · 05-31-2024, 03:06 PM

Bilbo was, definitionally, a thief and also, arguably, a cheater.

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=5911

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-31-2024, 05:11 PM

Well, arguably Bilbo was not a thief, but rather executing the common-law right of trover on behalf of his employer Thorin & Co.

***Mithadan*** · 06-01-2024, 04:56 PM

Hmmm. I wonder what the statute of limitations is in Middle Earth for recovery of personal property and adverse possession of real property?

obloquy · 06-19-2024, 02:05 PM

No property rights are recognized for dragons at all!

***Mithadan*** · 06-19-2024, 04:03 PM

Obloquy! Long time!

I'll let you tell the dragons they have no property rights...

William Cloud Hicklin · 06-20-2024, 12:52 PM

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

obloquy · 06-24-2024, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithadan

Obloquy! Long time!

I'll let you tell the dragons they have no property rights...

Hey Mith!

05-28-2024, 03:58 PM	#1
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,321	Did JRRT ever meet Dr. Seuss? Just a speculation- but Theodore Seuss Geisel was a graduate student in English at Oxford from 1925-1927, just as Tolkien was beginning his tenure of the R&B chair. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-29-2024, 03:05 PM	#2
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,380	I suppose that it is possible. Dr. Seuss' papers are at Dartmouth, if I'm not mistaken, if someone wants to undertake a research project. I do not know if they have his letters or materials from his youth, as opposed to his writings. __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

05-29-2024, 08:50 PM	#3
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,509	Well...Gollum can be quite Grinchy and vice versa. They are both disgruntled misanthropes who live in the mountains. They are both prone to thievery. The Grinch hates Christmases and Gollum hates Hobbitses. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

05-30-2024, 06:27 AM	#4
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,996	This online archive of the Dr. Seuss collection mentions Seuss's 1925/26 Oxford University Notebook. http://https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/tf1000043t/entire_text/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR1qoxACMkpuq12N52V_mC7k ZupyeMQ8IjOHYFYqlqyj7CBpza1MaFeudes_aem_AY2clyCbEp pg-6TSg7IRbO2F1oW4j_Y2kt0yitlbRIzz0OtOk7_sSoMFVcwAGmp XJs-e4ppEjudBvrmhqCDbwLRn Apparently there is a NYT article which discusses the Notebook but I don't have a subscription. Information brought to you by some of my fellow Tolkienists who responded to my query elsewhere, seeing as I was too busy to suss anything out. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

05-31-2024, 03:06 PM	#6
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,380	Bilbo was, definitionally, a thief and also, arguably, a cheater. http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=5911 __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

05-31-2024, 05:11 PM	#7
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,321	Well, arguably Bilbo was not a thief, but rather executing the common-law right of trover on behalf of his employer Thorin & Co. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

06-01-2024, 04:56 PM	#8
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,380	Hmmm. I wonder what the statute of limitations is in Middle Earth for recovery of personal property and adverse possession of real property? __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

06-19-2024, 02:05 PM	#9
obloquy Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: WA Posts: 939	No property rights are recognized for dragons at all!

06-19-2024, 04:03 PM	#10
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,380	Obloquy! Long time! I'll let you tell the dragons they have no property rights... __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

06-20-2024, 12:52 PM	#11
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,321	Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.