Dorwinion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lindolirian · 04-12-2002, 04:23 PM

Where exactly is Dorwinion? In the Lost Road somewhere i remember reading about it being " lands in the blistering South" or something like that, but in the Atlas of Middle Earth (which i know was not made by Tolkien and can be wrong) it is shown near the Sea of Rhun. where is it???

04-12-2002, 06:32 PM

I believe in the Pauline Baynes map Tolkien indicated to her thatit was indeed located near the Sea of Rhun...not definitive but more likely than the far south.

Arwen Imladris · 04-12-2002, 06:33 PM

Good question Lindolirian! I have no idea what the answer is!

Mhoram · 04-12-2002, 11:31 PM

Robert Foster only states that it is somewhere in Middle-Earth. I havn't come across it in my reading so let me just comment on the mention that it may have been south of the Sea of Rhun.

For one thing, the sea of rhun is very close to mordor as we all notice. Who would be daring enough to live there and maintain a garden for the making of wine, I can not imagine.

However, we know that the area around the Sea of Rhun was a nice at one point because we are told that the Elves spent some time there on their way from Cuiviénen(where the elves first awoke) to Beleriand and on to Valinor for some. Whether it was still nice some 12,000 years later, I can not say.

One last point. The Forest River passes into the River Running which ofcourse flows all they way to the Sea of Rhun. However, it flows south. So the heavy barrels full of wine would either have to be carried over land from Dorwinion or paddled up the River Running, which is only feasible if the River flows very slow.

If someone can direct me to the text that would suggest that Dorwinion is near the Sea of Rhun, i'd surely appreciate it.

lathspell · 04-14-2002, 05:26 AM

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default...dorwinion.html

At this adress I found a description and location of Dorwinion.

'A little-known land, probably lying in the vales of the River Running, famed for its great gardens and the quality of its wine.'

But as you see they seem to be hesitating as well. Hope you'll find out more about this, it's interesting.

greetings,
lathspell

04-12-2002, 04:23 PM	#1
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Dorwinion Where exactly is Dorwinion? In the Lost Road somewhere i remember reading about it being " lands in the blistering South" or something like that, but in the Atlas of Middle Earth (which i know was not made by Tolkien and can be wrong) it is shown near the Sea of Rhun. where is it??? __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-12-2002, 06:33 PM	#3
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Good question Lindolirian! I have no idea what the answer is! __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

04-14-2002, 05:26 AM	#5
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default...dorwinion.html At this adress I found a description and location of Dorwinion. 'A little-known land, probably lying in the vales of the River Running, famed for its great gardens and the quality of its wine.' But as you see they seem to be hesitating as well. Hope you'll find out more about this, it's interesting. greetings, lathspell __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

04-12-2002, 06:32 PM	#2
simpleradagast Guest Posts: n/a	I believe in the Pauline Baynes map Tolkien indicated to her thatit was indeed located near the Sea of Rhun...not definitive but more likely than the far south.

04-12-2002, 11:31 PM	#4
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361	Robert Foster only states that it is somewhere in Middle-Earth. I havn't come across it in my reading so let me just comment on the mention that it may have been south of the Sea of Rhun. For one thing, the sea of rhun is very close to mordor as we all notice. Who would be daring enough to live there and maintain a garden for the making of wine, I can not imagine. However, we know that the area around the Sea of Rhun was a nice at one point because we are told that the Elves spent some time there on their way from Cuiviénen(where the elves first awoke) to Beleriand and on to Valinor for some. Whether it was still nice some 12,000 years later, I can not say. One last point. The Forest River passes into the River Running which ofcourse flows all they way to the Sea of Rhun. However, it flows south. So the heavy barrels full of wine would either have to be carried over land from Dorwinion or paddled up the River Running, which is only feasible if the River flows very slow. If someone can direct me to the text that would suggest that Dorwinion is near the Sea of Rhun, i'd surely appreciate it.