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Dunlondion · 03-17-2003, 12:34 AM

I do not think that much was written about dol amroth in The Lord of the Rings. I would greatly appreciate any information you have on Prince Imrahil, the Swan Knights or any thing to do withe Dol Amroth.
Thanks
Dunlondion

Legolas · 03-17-2003, 08:06 AM

The Princes of Dol Amroth, by legend, were the result of the pairing of Mithrellas, a Silvan elf, and Imrazôr, a man of Gondor. Their son Galador became the lord of Belfalas, taking on the title 'Prince of Dol Amroth.'

Mithrellas was a companion of Nimrodel who made her way to southern Gondor (along with many other Silvan elves apparently). The peninsula/area had been a haven for elves since the First Age.

Tar-Palantir · 03-17-2003, 01:22 PM

In Unfinished Tales there is the only reference I have seen (have not read the HoME series). It is like Legolas said, in addition it is mentioned that there was a small settlement of Lórien elves in close proximity at the time (1980 of the Third Age). After bearing two children to Imrazôr Mithrellas and the remainder of the elves departed for Valinor.

Their son Galdor, half Númenórean half Silvan elf, was the 1st Prince of Dol Amroth whose direct line included Imrahil, the 22nd Prince of Dol Amroth. Incidentally the name Amroth stems from a Lord of Lórien named Amroth (A Silvan elf) who died in the Bay of Belfalas trying to swim back to shore to find Nimrodel. After this loss Galadriel and Celeborn took up the reigns in Lothlórien.

You can find it in UT - 'History of Galadriel and Celeborn'

[ March 17, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

Lily Bracegirdle · 03-17-2003, 05:02 PM

Wasn't Finduilas of Dol Amroth Imrahil's sister? That would mean that Faramir and Boromir would have some elvish blood in them.

-Lily

Legolas · 03-17-2003, 05:11 PM

Yes, but I'm not sure Denethor or Boromir would've bragged about it. I think the small bit of elvish blood in Faramir comes out in his character, though.

[ March 17, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ]

Lyra Greenleaf · 03-18-2003, 06:44 AM

I found that really nice that Faramir has Elvish blood in him! And I always, since I first read it, love the whole thought of Dol Amroth and Imrahil and all of it. If they leave him out of the film I am going to be so angry...

Dunlondion · 03-18-2003, 10:42 PM

am am very sorry but I hear that Imrahil won't be making an appearance in The return of the King.
Hey because the blood of Dol amroth is that of Gondor and Elf does that make them elves or men, immortal or Immortal? Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Scott · 03-18-2003, 10:54 PM

I think that their fates would be much like those of the Numenoriens. THey would probably have substantially longer lives, but eventually would die.

It would be intereting though to explore the idea of the Princes of Dol Amroth being given the chance to decide which bloodline they would be held to just as Elrond was granted. Hmmm...

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 03-18-2003, 10:57 PM

I'm sure the princes of Dol Amroth were both men and mortal, but it brings up a question I've never gotten much of an answer for... why were Elrond and Elros given the choice of their race, while other children of men and elves were not (like the children of Imrazor and Mithrellas)? and why was the choice extended also to Elrond's children and not to Elros'? (Does Elrond and Elros' choice have something to do with being half-elven on both sides?)

yikes, you beat me by a second, Scott, but how funny...our thoughts went in pretty much the same direction... -Sophia

[ March 18, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

Lalaith · 03-19-2003, 06:43 AM

Yes, it is odd, isn't it, that choice is not for all those with mixed parentage. And it is a very good point about Finduilas, which I hadn't thought of before. Also, as Eomer married Imrahil's daughter, their children would also have an Elven strain....

One thing occurs to me. Is there a Tolkien quote anywhere where he specificly says that Elrond's children were asked to make a choice. I know that Arwen gave up her place on the ship to Frodo, but I wonder if that might not have been a case of 'special pleading.' Aragorn on his deathbed seems to think Arwen could still go West. That always puzzled me. I mean, at some point in their decades-long engagement and centuries-long marriage, they might have found time to thrash out this fairly important issue before...

Dunlondion · 03-20-2003, 12:22 AM

If anyone who writes the wonderful Encyclopaedia is looking at this message peaae write an entry on Dol Amroth so we have somthing to look at for this topic.
The Encyclopaedia on this site rocks by th way. And thanks for everyones responses they have been realy great.

03-17-2003, 12:34 AM	#1
Dunlondion Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21	Dol Amroth I do not think that much was written about dol amroth in The Lord of the Rings. I would greatly appreciate any information you have on Prince Imrahil, the Swan Knights or any thing to do withe Dol Amroth. Thanks Dunlondion

03-17-2003, 08:06 AM	#2
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	The Princes of Dol Amroth, by legend, were the result of the pairing of Mithrellas, a Silvan elf, and Imrazôr, a man of Gondor. Their son Galador became the lord of Belfalas, taking on the title 'Prince of Dol Amroth.' Mithrellas was a companion of Nimrodel who made her way to southern Gondor (along with many other Silvan elves apparently). The peninsula/area had been a haven for elves since the First Age. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

03-17-2003, 01:22 PM	#3
Tar-Palantir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: napa valley, ca Posts: 496	In Unfinished Tales there is the only reference I have seen (have not read the HoME series). It is like Legolas said, in addition it is mentioned that there was a small settlement of Lórien elves in close proximity at the time (1980 of the Third Age). After bearing two children to Imrazôr Mithrellas and the remainder of the elves departed for Valinor. Their son Galdor, half Númenórean half Silvan elf, was the 1st Prince of Dol Amroth whose direct line included Imrahil, the 22nd Prince of Dol Amroth. Incidentally the name Amroth stems from a Lord of Lórien named Amroth (A Silvan elf) who died in the Bay of Belfalas trying to swim back to shore to find Nimrodel. After this loss Galadriel and Celeborn took up the reigns in Lothlórien. You can find it in UT - 'History of Galadriel and Celeborn' [ March 17, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ] __________________ History shows again and again How nature points up the folly of men Go, go, Godzilla!

03-17-2003, 05:02 PM	#4
Lily Bracegirdle Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bree Posts: 210	Wasn't Finduilas of Dol Amroth Imrahil's sister? That would mean that Faramir and Boromir would have some elvish blood in them. -Lily __________________ "But nay: the praise of the praiseworthy is above all rewards." - Faramir

03-17-2003, 05:11 PM	#5
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Yes, but I'm not sure Denethor or Boromir would've bragged about it. I think the small bit of elvish blood in Faramir comes out in his character, though. [ March 17, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ] __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

03-18-2003, 06:44 AM	#6
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,152	I found that really nice that Faramir has Elvish blood in him! And I always, since I first read it, love the whole thought of Dol Amroth and Imrahil and all of it. If they leave him out of the film I am going to be so angry... __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

03-18-2003, 10:42 PM	#7
Dunlondion Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21	am am very sorry but I hear that Imrahil won't be making an appearance in The return of the King. Hey because the blood of Dol amroth is that of Gondor and Elf does that make them elves or men, immortal or Immortal? Hmmmmmmmmmmm

03-18-2003, 10:54 PM	#8
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	I think that their fates would be much like those of the Numenoriens. THey would probably have substantially longer lives, but eventually would die. It would be intereting though to explore the idea of the Princes of Dol Amroth being given the chance to decide which bloodline they would be held to just as Elrond was granted. Hmmm... __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

03-18-2003, 10:57 PM	#9
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	I'm sure the princes of Dol Amroth were both men and mortal, but it brings up a question I've never gotten much of an answer for... why were Elrond and Elros given the choice of their race, while other children of men and elves were not (like the children of Imrazor and Mithrellas)? and why was the choice extended also to Elrond's children and not to Elros'? (Does Elrond and Elros' choice have something to do with being half-elven on both sides?) yikes, you beat me by a second, Scott, but how funny...our thoughts went in pretty much the same direction... -Sophia [ March 18, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ] __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

03-19-2003, 06:43 AM	#10
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Yes, it is odd, isn't it, that choice is not for all those with mixed parentage. And it is a very good point about Finduilas, which I hadn't thought of before. Also, as Eomer married Imrahil's daughter, their children would also have an Elven strain.... One thing occurs to me. Is there a Tolkien quote anywhere where he specificly says that Elrond's children were asked to make a choice. I know that Arwen gave up her place on the ship to Frodo, but I wonder if that might not have been a case of 'special pleading.' Aragorn on his deathbed seems to think Arwen could still go West. That always puzzled me. I mean, at some point in their decades-long engagement and centuries-long marriage, they might have found time to thrash out this fairly important issue before... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

03-20-2003, 12:22 AM	#11
Dunlondion Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21	If anyone who writes the wonderful Encyclopaedia is looking at this message peaae write an entry on Dol Amroth so we have somthing to look at for this topic. The Encyclopaedia on this site rocks by th way. And thanks for everyones responses they have been realy great.