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Mithalwen · 06-09-2015, 10:51 AM

There was a thread just before the Downs Downtime on Bomabadil which included a debate about what Elrond knew about him. I am not sure I want to get back into that since it got rather bad tempered, however it did occur to me that Master Elrond, the great lore master knew a lot about Middle Earth that his creator Tolkien didn't. It is one of the great strengths of Middle Earth, and for me a great joy, that it has been possible to explore via the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales and HoME the vistas glimpsed in the works published in the author's life span, Nevertheless apart from the notorious Bombadil and Balrog wings there are various things that Tolkien either didn't ever mention, left incomplete or unreconciled: some of these must have logically been known to Elrond.

For example, and this will come as no surprise to those who frequent the same quizroom threads as me, I would love to know Gil-galad's parentage and indeed correct names. Yes I know the versions, that CRT regrets his choice for the published Silmarillion; but last word doesn't necessarily mean definitively final word, we know JRRT was scribbling notes pretty much to the end.

There are other things of course but I will wait until I have seen what, if anything piques the curiousity of others. What would you ask Elrond if you had the chance?

Lalaith · 06-09-2015, 03:17 PM

Where are Alatar and Pallando? Are they happy?

Can you find me some proper Avari and no, Eol doesn't count....

Galadriel55 · 06-09-2015, 03:45 PM

The names of all the stars, and of all living things, and the whole history of Middle-Earth and Over-heave and of the Sundering Seas...

Seriously, though, I'd ask him to teach me a couple of these beautiful Elvish songs.

Inziladun · 06-09-2015, 03:46 PM

I'd ask why he chose to be counted among the Elves, and if he had any insight why his brother chose Men.

***Mithadan*** · 06-10-2015, 08:26 AM

What's the deal with the Stone Giants that Bilbo was talking about?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 06-10-2015, 08:57 AM

What's the deal with the Were-worms Bilbo was talking about...

And where in the name of all was Gandalf called "Incánus"?

Mithalwen · 06-10-2015, 09:15 AM

I want to know when Gil-galad gave him Vilya - and when and how did Glorfindel get back.

I also want to know thwhy Eomer hadn't seen Arwen and Galadriel when they passed through Rohan en route to Minas Tirith, AND stayed in Edoras.

And Elladan and Elrohir... what did they decide. Maybe I don't want to know that since the answer might be too sad.

Zigûr · 06-10-2015, 09:40 AM

I wonder if for Elrond it was ever troubling to be counted among the Wise and yet to have never dwelt in the Blessed Realm or to have received direct communication from the Valar (as Círdan had).

Faramir Jones · 06-11-2015, 04:58 AM

1. In your long life, meeting so many people, who impressed you the most, and who impressed you the least, leaving aside Morgoth and Sauron?

2. Were you one of the singing and dancing Elves who greeted Bilbo and the dwarves in The Hobbit?

Pervinca Took · 06-11-2015, 11:31 AM

Why did you send Frodo to Mount Doom when it was already obvious that he wouldn't be able to destroy the Ring?

mormegil · 06-11-2015, 12:16 PM

I would want to know if I could take up residence once he left.

I would want to better understand how putting his power in a ring made Sauron more powerful.

I would also want to know what the fate of Túrin is after death.

06-09-2015, 10:51 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Ask Elrond... There was a thread just before the Downs Downtime on Bomabadil which included a debate about what Elrond knew about him. I am not sure I want to get back into that since it got rather bad tempered, however it did occur to me that Master Elrond, the great lore master knew a lot about Middle Earth that his creator Tolkien didn't. It is one of the great strengths of Middle Earth, and for me a great joy, that it has been possible to explore via the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales and HoME the vistas glimpsed in the works published in the author's life span, Nevertheless apart from the notorious Bombadil and Balrog wings there are various things that Tolkien either didn't ever mention, left incomplete or unreconciled: some of these must have logically been known to Elrond. For example, and this will come as no surprise to those who frequent the same quizroom threads as me, I would love to know Gil-galad's parentage and indeed correct names. Yes I know the versions, that CRT regrets his choice for the published Silmarillion; but last word doesn't necessarily mean definitively final word, we know JRRT was scribbling notes pretty much to the end. There are other things of course but I will wait until I have seen what, if anything piques the curiousity of others. What would you ask Elrond if you had the chance? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-09-2015, 03:17 PM	#2
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Where are Alatar and Pallando? Are they happy? Can you find me some proper Avari and no, Eol doesn't count.... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

06-09-2015, 03:45 PM	#3
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,401	The names of all the stars, and of all living things, and the whole history of Middle-Earth and Over-heave and of the Sundering Seas... Seriously, though, I'd ask him to teach me a couple of these beautiful Elvish songs. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-09-2015, 03:46 PM	#4
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	I'd ask why he chose to be counted among the Elves, and if he had any insight why his brother chose Men. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

06-10-2015, 08:26 AM	#5
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,381	What's the deal with the Stone Giants that Bilbo was talking about? __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

06-10-2015, 08:57 AM	#6
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	What's the deal with the Were-worms Bilbo was talking about... And where in the name of all was Gandalf called "Incánus"? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

06-10-2015, 09:15 AM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	I want to know when Gil-galad gave him Vilya - and when and how did Glorfindel get back. I also want to know thwhy Eomer hadn't seen Arwen and Galadriel when they passed through Rohan en route to Minas Tirith, AND stayed in Edoras. And Elladan and Elrohir... what did they decide. Maybe I don't want to know that since the answer might be too sad. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-10-2015, 09:40 AM	#8
Zigûr Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 785	I wonder if for Elrond it was ever troubling to be counted among the Wise and yet to have never dwelt in the Blessed Realm or to have received direct communication from the Valar (as Círdan had). __________________ "Since the evening of that day we have journeyed from the shadow of Tol Brandir." "On foot?" cried Éomer.

06-11-2015, 04:58 AM	#9
Faramir Jones Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lonely Isle Posts: 706	What I would ask Elrond 1. In your long life, meeting so many people, who impressed you the most, and who impressed you the least, leaving aside Morgoth and Sauron? 2. Were you one of the singing and dancing Elves who greeted Bilbo and the dwarves in The Hobbit?

06-11-2015, 11:31 AM	#10
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Why did you send Frodo to Mount Doom when it was already obvious that he wouldn't be able to destroy the Ring? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-11-2015, 12:16 PM	#11
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,648	I would want to know if I could take up residence once he left. I would want to better understand how putting his power in a ring made Sauron more powerful. I would also want to know what the fate of Túrin is after death. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”