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01-27-2003, 06:19 PM

Im sorry but no one will answer me what are three descriptions for each of these:Elvish, Dwarvish, and Entish

Legolas · 01-27-2003, 06:24 PM

What kind of description do you want? They're languages.

01-27-2003, 06:27 PM

Like for elvis it is fluent and it rolls of your tongue

Manardariel · 01-27-2003, 06:35 PM

Entish: Takes ages to speak, lot´s of "hums" in it, few people know it, some elven elements, incredibly old

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01-27-2003, 06:36 PM

i need this by tommorrow as I am doing a report for school on John Tolkien and i need description I really need 3 for each actually i got the elvish down i have tat it is fluent it rolls off the tongue and the names

Legolas · 01-27-2003, 06:44 PM

What do you mean fluent?

Fluent is how well one speaks/understands a language.

The Dwarvish language is generally secret - the dwarves did not speak it outside of their race, except for a few proper nouns - Khazad-dûm, Barazinbar, Bundushathûr, Zirakzigil, Azanulbizar, Azaghâl, etc.

Entish is a lot different from the languages we're familiar with...

Quote:

Hoom, hm; hoom, hm, how did it go? Room tum, room tum, roomty toom tum. It was a long list.

Quote:

A great hoom, hom rang out like a deep-throated horn in the woods, and seemed to echo from the trees. Far off there came from several directions a similar hoom, hom, hoom that was not an echo but an answer.

Quote:

We come, we come with roll of drum: ta-runda runda runda rom!
We come, we come with horn and drum: ta-rūna rūna rūna rom!

Some other words: burárum, morimaite - sincahonda, ra-hoom-rah.

It takes a long time to say anything in Entish. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Greycloak · 01-27-2003, 06:53 PM

Entish was described as sounding like a "woodwind instrument".

Legolas · 01-27-2003, 06:58 PM

More in-depth information:
http://www.ardalambion.com

Also, there is no plain "Elvish." There are different Elven languages: Quenya, Sindarin, Telerin, Nandorin, etc.

[ January 27, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ]

01-27-2003, 07:26 PM

BY 'fluent' do you mean 'fluid'? Elvish does seem like a fluid language; representing nature (streams, rivers, etc.) and all that.

01-28-2003, 08:42 PM

fluent- showy, wavy [img]smilies/redface.gif[/img]

the guy who be short · 01-31-2003, 08:31 AM

the elven speech was said to be clear and sharp, but also more beautiful than other tongues.
old entish was developed by the ents for the ents, and it took ages to say anything in it. there were actually no elvish elements in it, but the ents liked to speak in elvish quenya if they had to be hasty.
dwarvish was called khuzdul. it was secretive, the dwarves kept it to themselves. they tghought it was a great secret. it was also meant to be very hard to say anything in dwarvish, because it wasa jaw cracker

Carrûn · 01-31-2003, 09:31 AM

A perhaps bizzare question of my own - the Ent's language had all of the "hrooming," in it. Sort of phonetic sounds...are there not tribes in Africa who's languages is made up primarly of clicks and other basic sounds? Could that have been a bit of an inspiration for Entish?

I'm rambling, but I'm curious as to whether anyone knows the inspiration for "Entish" whether I'm anywhere near being right or just incredibly stupid.

Legolas · 01-31-2003, 03:57 PM

"Fluent" means knowledgeable...

If you're fluent a language, you can speak and understand that language well.

"Fluid" means flowing, smooth.

Iarwain · 01-31-2003, 09:17 PM

Quite clever, by no means was this a "stupid question". Entish, Elvish, and Dwarvish are all like the people that speek them. Thus:

Entish is a fairly rough, long winded, almost swaying language. It progresses in thought nearly as fast as trees progress in growth.

Elvish is almost musical and full of vowels (just look into the aspects of Finnish and I believe you should be fairly close to Tolkien's intended pronunciations.

Dwarvish is a sharper, rougher language with many accents and lots of rough syllables (Khazad). You might be able to compare it to some form of rough arabic.

Iarwain

01-27-2003, 06:19 PM	#1
A Dwarf Friend Guest Posts: n/a	Sorry for a dumb question such as this... Im sorry but no one will answer me what are three descriptions for each of these:Elvish, Dwarvish, and Entish

01-27-2003, 06:24 PM	#2
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	What kind of description do you want? They're languages. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

01-27-2003, 06:35 PM	#4
Manardariel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 807	Entish: Takes ages to speak, lot´s of "hums" in it, few people know it, some elven elements, incredibly old OK? Oh, and Welcome to the Barrowdowns! Post often, don´t post spam and have lots of fun! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [ January 27, 2003: Message edited by: Manardariel ] __________________ Love is a perky elf dancing a merry little jig and then suddenly he turns on you with a miniature machine gun. Blog :-)\|FanFic Dream City

01-27-2003, 06:58 PM	#8
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	More in-depth information: http://www.ardalambion.com Also, there is no plain "Elvish." There are different Elven languages: Quenya, Sindarin, Telerin, Nandorin, etc. [ January 27, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ] __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

01-31-2003, 09:31 AM	#12
Carrûn Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Behind you, counting to 3 Posts: 234	A perhaps bizzare question of my own - the Ent's language had all of the "hrooming," in it. Sort of phonetic sounds...are there not tribes in Africa who's languages is made up primarly of clicks and other basic sounds? Could that have been a bit of an inspiration for Entish? I'm rambling, but I'm curious as to whether anyone knows the inspiration for "Entish" whether I'm anywhere near being right or just incredibly stupid. __________________ "Dic, hospes, Spartae, nos te hic vidisse iacentes dum sanctis patriae legibus obsequimur."

01-27-2003, 06:27 PM	#3
A Dwarf Friend Guest Posts: n/a	Like for elvis it is fluent and it rolls of your tongue

01-27-2003, 06:36 PM	#5
A Dwarf Friend Guest Posts: n/a	i need this by tommorrow as I am doing a report for school on John Tolkien and i need description I really need 3 for each actually i got the elvish down i have tat it is fluent it rolls off the tongue and the names

01-27-2003, 06:53 PM	#7
Greycloak Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 28	Entish was described as sounding like a "woodwind instrument".

01-27-2003, 07:26 PM	#9
Belladonna Guest Posts: n/a	BY 'fluent' do you mean 'fluid'? Elvish does seem like a fluid language; representing nature (streams, rivers, etc.) and all that.

01-28-2003, 08:42 PM	#10
A Dwarf Friend Guest Posts: n/a	fluent- showy, wavy [img]smilies/redface.gif[/img]

01-31-2003, 08:31 AM	#11
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	the elven speech was said to be clear and sharp, but also more beautiful than other tongues. old entish was developed by the ents for the ents, and it took ages to say anything in it. there were actually no elvish elements in it, but the ents liked to speak in elvish quenya if they had to be hasty. dwarvish was called khuzdul. it was secretive, the dwarves kept it to themselves. they tghought it was a great secret. it was also meant to be very hard to say anything in dwarvish, because it wasa jaw cracker

01-31-2003, 03:57 PM	#13
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	"Fluent" means knowledgeable... If you're fluent a language, you can speak and understand that language well. "Fluid" means flowing, smooth. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

01-31-2003, 09:17 PM	#14
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Quite clever, by no means was this a "stupid question". Entish, Elvish, and Dwarvish are all like the people that speek them. Thus: Entish is a fairly rough, long winded, almost swaying language. It progresses in thought nearly as fast as trees progress in growth. Elvish is almost musical and full of vowels (just look into the aspects of Finnish and I believe you should be fairly close to Tolkien's intended pronunciations. Dwarvish is a sharper, rougher language with many accents and lots of rough syllables (Khazad). You might be able to compare it to some form of rough arabic. Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"