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12-01-2009, 08:21 PM | #1 |
Shade of Carn Dûm
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Saved by Naria?
Hi all,
A though just ocurred to me with regards to Gandalf and his post "re-incarnation" trip to Lothlorien. Might this be the one time that Gandalf actually used Naria's power on himself. Much talk has been made about the possiblity that Cirdan gave Gandalf Naria to combat the weariness Gandalf would suffer in trying to complete his mission in ME, however the trip to Lothlorien may be the one time Gandalf may have actually needed that power. If he truly was sent back naked (as the text says) then he would have had to deal not only with any roving orcs he might meet but with the sheer cold of the mountain. Much as some have suggested that Galadriel got some of her abilty to make Lothlorien flourish from Nenya and Elrond may have used Vilia to call the torrent, I'm wondering if Naria migh have had some external preservative power besides is abiity to rekindle men's hearts, namely the power to keep the wearer from freezing to death (i.e. there was a a kind of physical fire it controlled along with the spiritual one). Granted Gandalf the newly reborn is now mightier, but he is still in a human body (and the fact that he still has Naria indicates its is likey the same body, unless he found the ring lying by his side when he was sent back) and so seems likey to be as liable to frostbite and hypothermia as any other human form. Gandalfs trip to Lothlorien was a grueling trial, but I'm incined to think that if I am right, had he not had Naria it might have been impossible. |
12-01-2009, 08:58 PM | #2 |
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No, he flew.
~ Naked I was sent back -- for a brief time, until my task is done. And naked I lay upon the mountain-top. ... I was alone, forgotten, without escape upon the hard horn of the world. There I lay staring upward, while the stars wheeled over, and each day was as long as a life-age of the earth. ... And so at the last Gwaihir the Windlord found me again, and he took me up and bore me away. ... "Do not let me fall!" I gasped, for I felt life in me again. "Bear me to Lothlorien!"
~ "That indeed is the command of the Lady Galadriel who sent me to look for you," he answered. |
12-02-2009, 04:33 PM | #3 | |
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12-02-2009, 04:46 PM | #4 |
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That, Alfirin, sounds like the makings of a beautiful fanfic*.
*Full disclosure: I am actively involved in the fanfic-writing part of the fandom and consider it a legitimate means of exploring canon, so there is no irony in that statement.
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12-02-2009, 05:14 PM | #5 |
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Well he could have just been like this man, but it is known that Gandalf could make fire (as in Caradhras). Whether it is him or Narya is another issue entirely.
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12-02-2009, 07:37 PM | #6 | |
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I'm not sure about the fanficm not that I have anything against fanfic (Heck I'm working on quite a few (non tolkein) myself) I do however think there is potential for a talented illstrator to get a good picture out of it, Gandalf, naked, huddled on the snowy mountainside dwarfed by the scenery, his hair and beard streing in the snowy wind curled around the hand with Naria, which is emitting a tiny red glow. A powerful image of Gandalf's mortal bodies frailty agains the awesome and uncaring power of nature. Powerful. |
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12-02-2009, 08:10 PM | #7 |
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Remember, his body wasn't exactly human. He was one tough old bird!
And the Balrog's body may still have been exuding heat/fire. But even not, I don't think he was using his ring actively to do it. His owning it may have helped, though. |
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12-02-2009, 09:28 PM | #9 |
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Sorry I had to do this...a little off the topic but isn't it spelt Narya? Not that it's a huge deal...
Just because Naria is a Downer that I know, the name Narya was taken so she picked Naria so when I saw the title of the thread I had a wee laugh...again sorry for the off topic comment.
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12-03-2009, 01:36 PM | #11 | |
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