Country Borders - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

eothain of fenland · 07-28-2009, 06:23 PM

Hi, im a little confused exactly where the borders of some of the countries are in 3018 (at the time of the movie)

Gondor-do they own the region Anorien, or is that Rohan's? do there western borders end where the mountains are?

Rohan-i kinda know where there borders are. the two rivers to the west are their western borders, the andiun to the east, the limlight to the north. not really sure about their southern borders, if they own anorien or not.

Enedwaith and Dunland-i guess this region/country is considered one.

Minhiriath-is this part of enedwaith or eriador?

Eriador/arthedain/arnor- is eriador one big kingdom? or is it the arthedain, their borders being the brandywine. and is arnor its own kingdom? their borders being the brandiwine, the mist mts, and idk where the south border is.

Mirkwood-is this its own kingdom or is it part of Rhovanion?

Rhovanion/Rhun-these two dnt rly have borders. so i understand these.

Harad-border is the poros river. understand this one fine.

thanks
ps.srry if i dnt really make much sense

EDIT- and if someone has a map that shows the borders with lines or something that would be helpful too.

Inziladun · 07-28-2009, 06:59 PM

Hmm. This might be more suited to Novices and Newcomers.

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In the east (Rohan's) bounds were the Anduin and and west-cliff of the Emyn Muil down to the marshes of the Mouths of Onodló (Entwash), and beyond that river the stream of the Glanhír (Mering Stream) that flowed through the Wood of Anwar to join the Onodló....

UT Cirion and Eorl

The Mering Stream was the western boundary of Anórien, so it seems clear that belonged to Gondor.

The Enedwaith was the name for the land between the Greyflood and the Isen in which lay the country of Dunland.

Minhiriath is considered part of Eriador.

Eriador is a region, not a country or realm of its own.

Mirkwood was merely a forest which lay in the region called Rhovanion, or Wilderland. Part of Rhovanion.

I'm sorry I don't have a map to show you, but I'm sure a perfunctory internet search should turn one up.

eothain of fenland · 07-28-2009, 07:06 PM

thanks. just one more question. what were the northern borders of ithilien?

Inziladun · 07-28-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by eothain of fenland

thanks. just one more question. what were the northern borders of ithilien?

I can really only guess at that.

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The road had been made in a long lost time, and for perhaps thirty miles below the Morannon it had been newly repaired, but as it went south the wild encroached upon it.....So they passed into the northern marches of that land that Men once called Ithilien....

TTT Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit

I don't know that I've seen a specific boundary given for it on the north: thirty miles or so south of the Morannon seems to be the closest estimate.

Estelyn Telcontar · 07-29-2009, 01:55 AM

I think this question will get more attention and answers in the Novices and Newcomers section, so I'm moving it there. Enjoy!

Selmo · 07-29-2009, 03:04 AM

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The road had been made in a long lost time, and for perhaps thirty miles below the Morannon it had been newly repaired, but as it went south the wild encroached upon it.....So they passed into the northern marches of that land that Men once called Ithilien....

TTT Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit

" that land that Men once called Ithilien.... "

Ithilien, at the time of the War of the Ring, had no borders because it no longer existed as an administrative region. It was depopulated, apart from Minas Morgal, and had effectively become part of Mordor.

Many of the lands mentioned in LoTR were empty, controlled by on-one, so defined borders would be meaningless. Some borders, like the one between Gondor and Umbar, would be constantly changing with the relative strength of the peoples on either side. The only fixed, acknowledged border in Middle-earth at the end of the Third Age was that between Gondor and Rohan.

As the new Gondor expanded under Aragon's rule, the borders of the Empire, and of the administrative regions within it, would be under constant review as the population grew and empty lands were occupied. The Shire, for example, expanded its boundaries to include the Tower Hills.

At the end of the Third Age, the names of most parts of Middle-earth and the positions of any borders they may have had in the distant past were of interest only to academic histoians in the archives of Minas Tirith.

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07-28-2009, 06:23 PM	#1
eothain of fenland Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 11	Country Borders Hi, im a little confused exactly where the borders of some of the countries are in 3018 (at the time of the movie) Gondor-do they own the region Anorien, or is that Rohan's? do there western borders end where the mountains are? Rohan-i kinda know where there borders are. the two rivers to the west are their western borders, the andiun to the east, the limlight to the north. not really sure about their southern borders, if they own anorien or not. Enedwaith and Dunland-i guess this region/country is considered one. Minhiriath-is this part of enedwaith or eriador? Eriador/arthedain/arnor- is eriador one big kingdom? or is it the arthedain, their borders being the brandywine. and is arnor its own kingdom? their borders being the brandiwine, the mist mts, and idk where the south border is. Mirkwood-is this its own kingdom or is it part of Rhovanion? Rhovanion/Rhun-these two dnt rly have borders. so i understand these. Harad-border is the poros river. understand this one fine. thanks ps.srry if i dnt really make much sense EDIT- and if someone has a map that shows the borders with lines or something that would be helpful too.

07-29-2009, 01:55 AM	#5
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	I think this question will get more attention and answers in the Novices and Newcomers section, so I'm moving it there. Enjoy! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

07-28-2009, 07:06 PM	#3
eothain of fenland Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 11	thanks. just one more question. what were the northern borders of ithilien?

07-29-2009, 03:04 AM	#6
Selmo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Shire (Staffordshire), United Kingdom Posts: 273	Quote: The road had been made in a long lost time, and for perhaps thirty miles below the Morannon it had been newly repaired, but as it went south the wild encroached upon it.....So they passed into the northern marches of that land that Men once called Ithilien.... TTT Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit " that land that Men once called Ithilien.... " Ithilien, at the time of the War of the Ring, had no borders because it no longer existed as an administrative region. It was depopulated, apart from Minas Morgal, and had effectively become part of Mordor. Many of the lands mentioned in LoTR were empty, controlled by on-one, so defined borders would be meaningless. Some borders, like the one between Gondor and Umbar, would be constantly changing with the relative strength of the peoples on either side. The only fixed, acknowledged border in Middle-earth at the end of the Third Age was that between Gondor and Rohan. As the new Gondor expanded under Aragon's rule, the borders of the Empire, and of the administrative regions within it, would be under constant review as the population grew and empty lands were occupied. The Shire, for example, expanded its boundaries to include the Tower Hills. At the end of the Third Age, the names of most parts of Middle-earth and the positions of any borders they may have had in the distant past were of interest only to academic histoians in the archives of Minas Tirith. . .