"We will not meet again, Elessar"

[MatthewM]

Can anybody give a clear explanation why Jackson thought it fit to have Galadriel say this line to Aragorn as The Fellowship leave Lothlorien? As we know that they do meet again (in the books) it was pointless to have added this in the movies.

Just another PJ error, I suppose.

[Aganzir]

"For darkness will flow between us, and it may be that we shall not meet again, unless it be far hence upon a road that has no returning."

These were her words in the book. Could it be that PJ just wanted a more dramatic farewell?

Did Galadriel and Celeborn come to see Aragorn's coronation in the movies? It's so long since I've watched them, I don't remember anymore.

[Finduilas]

No, I don't believe they did.

If you remember in the book, at the hill that the company stopped at in Lorien, it was written, "And Aragorn never saw the ... again." I don't know the direct quote. Was PJ trying to recreate this? I know when I first read the books that I got really worried over that line.

[Sir Kohran]

Originally Posted by Finduilas

No, I don't believe they did.

If you remember in the book, at the hill that the company stopped at in Lorien, it was written, "And Aragorn never saw the ... again." I don't know the direct quote. Was PJ trying to recreate this? I know when I first read the books that I got really worried over that line.

I guess the line was just trying to convey the sense of the last time they'd be in this peaceful, beautiful sanctuary - and indeed, perhaps with Faramir aside, this is the last point on Frodo's quest when he feels 'safe'.

[davem]

Very romantic theories.

I suspect the real reason was that they knew they couldn't get Kate Blanchett back to film the wedding scenes (I know she stated she was only on set a limited time), & popped the line in to explain to the audience why she wouldn't be at her grand-daughter's big day.

[Finduilas]

But the audience would have no clue that she was her granddaughter. They may have done that for that reason, but no one would have noticed... well most people wouldn't have, and people who hadn't read the books definetely wouldn't have.

[MatthewM]

Originally Posted by Finduilas

If you remember in the book, at the hill that the company stopped at in Lorien, it was written, "And Aragorn never saw the ... again." I don't know the direct quote. Was PJ trying to recreate this? I know when I first read the books that I got really worried over that line.

I believe the part you're talking about is this-

"At the hill's foot Frodo found Aragorn, standing still and silent as a tree; but in his hand was a small golden bloom of elanor , and a light was in his eyes. He was weapped in some fair memory: and as Frodo looked at him he knew that he beheld things as they once had been in this same place. For the grim years were removed from the face of Aragorn, and he seemed clothed in white, a young lord tall and fair; and he spoke words in the Elvish tongue to one whom Frodo could not see. Arwen vanimelda, namarie! he said, and then he drew a breath, and returning out of his thought he looked at Frodo and smiled.

'Here is the heart of Elvendom on earth, he said, and here my heart dwells ever, unless there be a light beyond the dark roads that we still must tread, you and I. Come with me!' And taking Frodo's hand in his, he left the hill of Cerin Amroth and came there never again as living man." (The Fellowship of the Ring, Ch. VI)

Perhaps the quote in the movie also refers to this, as Aragorn never returns to Cerin Amroth. In the books, I believe C & G come with the host of Elves that bring Arwen, so they see the two joined together.

[Finduilas]

Thanks MatthewM, that was what I was talking about.

[Knight of Gondor]

Originally Posted by MatthewM

'Here is the heart of Elvendom on earth, he said, and here my heart dwells ever, unless there be a light beyond the dark roads that we still must tread, you and I. Come with me!' And taking Frodo's hand in his, he left the hill of Cerin Amroth and came there never again as living man." [/B] (The Fellowship of the Ring, Ch. VI)

Somewhat off-track, but don't you find it interesting that Tolkien specifies "never again as living man"? Does this not hint towards a return in another state? I've often puzzled about the end of the world according to Tolkien. It is said that the fate of the elves and the fate of man is separate, but I believe that there was something written about how only the destinations after death were different, but that Eru would one day renew the world, and both kinds would dwell in harmony and peace.

[MatthewM]

Originally Posted by Knight of Gondor

Somewhat off-track, but don't you find it interesting that Tolkien specifies "never again as living man"? Does this not hint towards a return in another state? I've often puzzled about the end of the world according to Tolkien. It is said that the fate of the elves and the fate of man is separate, but I believe that there was something written about how only the destinations after death were different, but that Eru would one day renew the world, and both kinds would dwell in harmony and peace.

Not sure about seperate destinations after death, but I've thought about the line too. I just always read it and smiled in a bitter sweet sort of way, because it does imply an after life in Middle-earth that you do not read too much of in the narrative of The Lord of the Rings, and although Aragorn does not visit it again as living man, this line implies that in another form he does.

[Eruanna]

Originally Posted by MatthewM

Can anybody give a clear explanation why Jackson thought it fit to have Galadriel say this line to Aragorn as The Fellowship leave Lothlorien? As we know that they do meet again (in the books) it was pointless to have added this in the movies.

Just another PJ error, I suppose.

I think it was added simply to give the audience (those that hadn't read the books) the idea that perhaps Aragorn might not survive the coming events. Galadriel's very definite 'We shall not meet again', coupled with the earlier scenes of the mirror etc cause a sense of doubt in the viewer.
That way, when he goes over the cliff edge with the warg they think that he just might possibly actually be dead.
I remember when I saw the films for the first time, although I enjoyed the spectacle of the battles, there was no sense of real danger for Aragorn, as I knew he survived.

[Knight of Gondor]

Originally Posted by Eruanna

I think it was added simply to give the audience (those that hadn't read the books) the idea that perhaps Aragorn might not survive the coming events. Galadriel's very definite 'We shall not meet again', coupled with the earlier scenes of the mirror etc cause a sense of doubt in the viewer.
That way, when he goes over the cliff edge with the warg they think that he just might possibly actually be dead.
I remember when I saw the films for the first time, although I enjoyed the spectacle of the battles, there was no sense of real danger for Aragorn, as I knew he survived.

I don't think anyone, even the uninitiated, seriously believed Aragorn died at that moment.

[Eruanna]

Originally Posted by Knight of Gondor

I don't think anyone, even the uninitiated, seriously believed Aragorn died at that moment.

Well, my twelve year old nephew did. He was quite concerned.

[Elladan and Elrohir]

Just to clarify something mentioned towards the top of this thread, Galadriel and Celeborn both do indeed appear at Aragorn and Arwen's wedding in the book. You'll recall that Gimli and Eomer nearly came to blows (in a hilariously courteous fashion) over whether Galadriel was the fairest lady that lived.

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

Just to clarify something mentioned towards the top of this thread, Galadriel and Celeborn both do indeed appear at Aragorn and Arwen's wedding in the book. You'll recall that Gimli and Eomer nearly came to blows (in a hilariously courteous fashion) over whether Galadriel was the fairest lady that lived.

That is what happened, In the books.