Another 'what if..' thread.. (about Boromir this one) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

vanwalossien · 09-22-2002, 10:51 AM

I'm sorry if this has been asked already, but I couldn't find it.. What do you think would'd have happened if Boromir hadn't had so much pride? I think Faramir would've been at the council instead of him, and what if Faramir had joined the Fellowship?

[ September 22, 2002: Message edited by: vanwalossien ]

Elenna · 09-22-2002, 01:29 PM

I think that for one, Faramir wouldn't have been tempted, and all of the Fellowship would have gone to Mordor. Then, they all would have been discovered and killed. I mean, how do you disguise a frolicking elf like Legolas as an orc?

Plus, Faramir would never have A) defeated the Haradhrim in Ithilien or B) gotten together with Eowyn.

Plus, Boromir was a tragic hero - practically a requirement in an epic. We need him to die because he is personally flawed.

vanwalossien · 09-24-2002, 07:47 AM

I think I should stop asking these questions, 'cause when everyone answers so cleverly, they make me feel stupid.. I have a gut feeling that Faramir wouldn't be tempted to take the Ring too, but you never know, he wasn't exposed to it as long as his brother.. Do you think the Fellowship would've been different? I mean, if some of those who actually are part of it wouldn't have been, or something like that.. (my English is brilliant or what? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] )

Mithuial · 09-24-2002, 09:02 PM

Again, as I think about all the horrific possibilities I am convinced of Tolkien's genius.

Elenna · 09-25-2002, 01:46 PM

I think that he, as a man of "higher blood" than Boromir, would probably not have been tempted as sorely as Boromir was.

And I didn't mean to make you feel stupid - sorry!

lathspell · 09-25-2002, 02:54 PM

If the brethren wouldn't be where they were, the whole affair would have been in vain. Faramir, of course, may prove wiser in the Fellowship, yet the temptation and pride of Boromir it was that made Frodo make up his mind.
And if you put them in eachother's place in the story, they would meet Boromir in ithilien, and wouldn't that prove disastrous? Wouldn't he have been tempted then as well, when Sam said that they had the Ring? I think so, for many things in the story point to the fact that Boromir lusted for the Ring from the very beginning at Rivendell.
I think the cannot be altered at all, for it might prove ruinous any other way [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

well, just a thought

greetings,
lathspell

09-25-2002, 03:32 PM

Also Boromir in Ithilien would've shown less mercy to Gollum and probably would have him put to death or at least imprisoned. So even if the hobbits managed to get inside Mordor with the Ring, the final attempt at Mt. Doom would've been in vain. It seems like a no-win situation in all ways if the brothers had been switched.

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vanwalossien · 10-09-2002, 06:19 AM

Are we even sure Faramir would join the Fellowship? I think he would, but you can't be sure can you? I just think that if Boromir hadn't had so much pride he'd have let Faramir go to Rivendell.

elfling · 10-09-2002, 09:38 PM

I really liked Borimir without his presence in the fellowship I'm sure all would be very different. He was very heroic in many places where his brother may have not been so all may have ended more tragically without him. His weakness was not his only contribution to the fellowship, though without his attempt to take the ring Frodo may have had trouble making his move.

TolkienGurl · 10-10-2002, 07:12 AM

Faramir would have been tempted as much as Boromir was - but would he try to fulfill that yearning, or resist? The question is not about whether he would have been tempted or not, but if he would act selfishly on the temptation. Remember, all who come in contact with the Ring are tempted.

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09-22-2002, 10:51 AM	#1
vanwalossien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: middle of Nowhere/Norway Posts: 372	Another 'what if..' thread.. (about Boromir this one) I'm sorry if this has been asked already, but I couldn't find it.. What do you think would'd have happened if Boromir hadn't had so much pride? I think Faramir would've been at the council instead of him, and what if Faramir had joined the Fellowship? [ September 22, 2002: Message edited by: vanwalossien ] __________________ "The ships hung in the air in much the same way as bricks don't"

09-22-2002, 01:29 PM	#2
Elenna A Ghostly Light Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My private bubble of innocence Posts: 563	I think that for one, Faramir wouldn't have been tempted, and all of the Fellowship would have gone to Mordor. Then, they all would have been discovered and killed. I mean, how do you disguise a frolicking elf like Legolas as an orc? Plus, Faramir would never have A) defeated the Haradhrim in Ithilien or B) gotten together with Eowyn. Plus, Boromir was a tragic hero - practically a requirement in an epic. We need him to die because he is personally flawed. __________________ If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."

09-24-2002, 07:47 AM	#3
vanwalossien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: middle of Nowhere/Norway Posts: 372	I think I should stop asking these questions, 'cause when everyone answers so cleverly, they make me feel stupid.. I have a gut feeling that Faramir wouldn't be tempted to take the Ring too, but you never know, he wasn't exposed to it as long as his brother.. Do you think the Fellowship would've been different? I mean, if some of those who actually are part of it wouldn't have been, or something like that.. (my English is brilliant or what? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] ) __________________ "The ships hung in the air in much the same way as bricks don't"

09-24-2002, 09:02 PM	#4
Mithuial Animated Skeleton Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Doriath Posts: 35	Again, as I think about all the horrific possibilities I am convinced of Tolkien's genius. __________________ "And Maglor answered: 'If it be truly the Silmaril which we saw cast into the sea that rises again by the power of the Valar, then let us be glad; for its glory is seen now by many, and is yet secure from all evil.' Then the Elves looked up, and despaired no longer, but Morgoth was filled with doubt." -The Silmarillion.

09-25-2002, 01:46 PM	#5
Elenna A Ghostly Light Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My private bubble of innocence Posts: 563	I think that he, as a man of "higher blood" than Boromir, would probably not have been tempted as sorely as Boromir was. And I didn't mean to make you feel stupid - sorry! __________________ If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."

09-25-2002, 02:54 PM	#6
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	If the brethren wouldn't be where they were, the whole affair would have been in vain. Faramir, of course, may prove wiser in the Fellowship, yet the temptation and pride of Boromir it was that made Frodo make up his mind. And if you put them in eachother's place in the story, they would meet Boromir in ithilien, and wouldn't that prove disastrous? Wouldn't he have been tempted then as well, when Sam said that they had the Ring? I think so, for many things in the story point to the fact that Boromir lusted for the Ring from the very beginning at Rivendell. I think the cannot be altered at all, for it might prove ruinous any other way [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] well, just a thought greetings, lathspell __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

09-25-2002, 03:32 PM	#7
Sea-elf Guest Posts: n/a	Also Boromir in Ithilien would've shown less mercy to Gollum and probably would have him put to death or at least imprisoned. So even if the hobbits managed to get inside Mordor with the Ring, the final attempt at Mt. Doom would've been in vain. It seems like a no-win situation in all ways if the brothers had been switched. [ September 25, 2002: Message edited by: shorty ]

10-09-2002, 06:19 AM	#8
vanwalossien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: middle of Nowhere/Norway Posts: 372	Are we even sure Faramir would join the Fellowship? I think he would, but you can't be sure can you? I just think that if Boromir hadn't had so much pride he'd have let Faramir go to Rivendell. __________________ "The ships hung in the air in much the same way as bricks don't"

10-09-2002, 09:38 PM	#9
elfling Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: asheville,nc Posts: 86	I really liked Borimir without his presence in the fellowship I'm sure all would be very different. He was very heroic in many places where his brother may have not been so all may have ended more tragically without him. His weakness was not his only contribution to the fellowship, though without his attempt to take the ring Frodo may have had trouble making his move. __________________ And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the morning and the night...All shall love me and despair!

10-10-2002, 07:12 AM	#10
TolkienGurl Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 637	Faramir would have been tempted as much as Boromir was - but would he try to fulfill that yearning, or resist? The question is not about whether he would have been tempted or not, but if he would act selfishly on the temptation. Remember, all who come in contact with the Ring are tempted. [ October 10, 2002: Message edited by: TolkienGurl ] __________________ Hopes fail. An end comes. We have only a little time to wait now. We are lost in ruin and downfall and there is no escape. -Frodo My Livejournal