The Power of Hobbits - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thulorongil · 11-06-2002, 04:46 PM

Do you think that if Frodo, Samwise, Meriadoc, and Peregrin had gone home once they reached Rivendell, instead of taking up on the rest of the quest, would it have been fulfilled? (especially concerning Frodo & Sam)

I don't think it would have.
There was something about the innocence and love of peace about hobbits that made it be that they were so much more than anyone believed they could be. Something about their ways and nature that gave them (especially Frodo & Sam) an inner strength.

Firondoiel · 11-06-2002, 04:57 PM

I'm pretty positive the that the quest would not have been fulfilled. Look at all the deeds that those four Hobbits did! Without Merry the Witch King would not have been destroyed. Merry and Pippin also roused the Ents which let to the destruction of Isengard, and look at all that Frodo and Sam did. Frodo was definitley the one to bear the Ring. I doubt anybody else could have born it as well as he did. And we all know that Frodo could have completed the quest without Sam.

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There was something about the innocence and love of peace about hobbits that made it be that they were so much more than anyone believed they could be. Something about their ways and nature that gave them (especially Frodo & Sam) an inner strength.

I couldn't agree more!

dragoneyes · 11-06-2002, 05:02 PM

Don't forget Pippin saving Faramir! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Thulorongil · 11-06-2002, 05:47 PM

Exactly! There are so many things that the unlikely heroes can do!

What about the strength of the entire Shire to counteract Sharky?

Keneldil the Polka-dot · 11-06-2002, 06:28 PM

I don't think anyone other than Frodo Baggins in all of ME could have carried the Ring to Orodruin, with the very possible exception of Sam.

Novlamothien · 11-06-2002, 06:57 PM

I think that without the hobbits the fellowship would have failed. The hobbits did so much that, in my opinion, no one else could have, especially Frodo, although Sam might have been able to be the Ring-bearer.

By the way, Thulorongil, my signature picks up where yours leave off, that is neat.

Namarie

Arwen Imladris · 11-06-2002, 09:08 PM

Well, so much would have had to change, it is impossible to tell. Who would have carried the ring for one thing.

elfling · 11-06-2002, 09:16 PM

I don't think anyone could have carried the Ring but a Hobbit. A special hobbit at that. I feel the Hobbits were much stronger than most give them credit for. They not only did great things individually they also overcame many terrors almost unscathed except for frodo. It is amazing he survived the Ring at all so it is understandable he was so effected. Poor Boromir couldn't resist it just being near it for many days.
Hobbits have an encredible strength of spirit without them I feel the quest would have failed.

Keneldil the Polka-dot · 11-07-2002, 04:10 PM

I agree with "only a special hobbit" and that hobbit was Frodo. The Ring's method of control was in subverting the wearer through his/her intentions for using it. Hence Gandalf's speech about why he dare not touch the Ring. Frodo had no desire to use the Ring for any purpose, good or bad. He tried to give it away several times. As he traveled closer to Mt. Doom, the Ring began to gain a foothold in his mind, but it wasn't until Frodo was at the Crack of Doom where the Ring's power was greatest that it gained control of him. I don't think anyone else in ME could have taken it even that far (except possibly Sam). If Elrond had been the one possessing the Ring instead of Isildur when Sauron was defeated the first time, I don't think he would have been able to throw it away. The fact that he and Cirdan did not take the Ring from Isildur by force, knowing what it was and that Sauron's ultimate demise was tied to it, says to me that the Ring influenced them.

11-06-2002, 04:46 PM	#1
Thulorongil Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: wherever the road may take me Posts: 97	The Power of Hobbits Do you think that if Frodo, Samwise, Meriadoc, and Peregrin had gone home once they reached Rivendell, instead of taking up on the rest of the quest, would it have been fulfilled? (especially concerning Frodo & Sam) I don't think it would have. There was something about the innocence and love of peace about hobbits that made it be that they were so much more than anyone believed they could be. Something about their ways and nature that gave them (especially Frodo & Sam) an inner strength. __________________ I sit beside the fire and think of people long ago, And people who will see a world that I shall never know.

11-06-2002, 05:02 PM	#3
dragoneyes Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Completely lost track, sorry! Posts: 733	Don't forget Pippin saving Faramir! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ "We might succeed in roasting Pippin alive inside." - Frodo.

11-06-2002, 05:47 PM	#4
Thulorongil Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: wherever the road may take me Posts: 97	Exactly! There are so many things that the unlikely heroes can do! What about the strength of the entire Shire to counteract Sharky? __________________ I sit beside the fire and think of people long ago, And people who will see a world that I shall never know.

11-06-2002, 06:28 PM	#5
Keneldil the Polka-dot Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 128	I don't think anyone other than Frodo Baggins in all of ME could have carried the Ring to Orodruin, with the very possible exception of Sam. __________________ "Trust in the ball Jake.....and throw yourself."

11-06-2002, 06:57 PM	#6
Novlamothien Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: A white, wintry wonderland-in the South!! Posts: 75	I think that without the hobbits the fellowship would have failed. The hobbits did so much that, in my opinion, no one else could have, especially Frodo, although Sam might have been able to be the Ring-bearer. By the way, Thulorongil, my signature picks up where yours leave off, that is neat. Namarie __________________ "He said if I had the cheek to make verses about Earendil in the house of Elrond that was my affair." ~Bilbo~

11-06-2002, 09:08 PM	#7
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Well, so much would have had to change, it is impossible to tell. Who would have carried the ring for one thing. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

11-06-2002, 09:16 PM	#8
elfling Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: asheville,nc Posts: 86	I don't think anyone could have carried the Ring but a Hobbit. A special hobbit at that. I feel the Hobbits were much stronger than most give them credit for. They not only did great things individually they also overcame many terrors almost unscathed except for frodo. It is amazing he survived the Ring at all so it is understandable he was so effected. Poor Boromir couldn't resist it just being near it for many days. Hobbits have an encredible strength of spirit without them I feel the quest would have failed. __________________ And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the morning and the night...All shall love me and despair!

11-07-2002, 04:10 PM	#9
Keneldil the Polka-dot Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 128	I agree with "only a special hobbit" and that hobbit was Frodo. The Ring's method of control was in subverting the wearer through his/her intentions for using it. Hence Gandalf's speech about why he dare not touch the Ring. Frodo had no desire to use the Ring for any purpose, good or bad. He tried to give it away several times. As he traveled closer to Mt. Doom, the Ring began to gain a foothold in his mind, but it wasn't until Frodo was at the Crack of Doom where the Ring's power was greatest that it gained control of him. I don't think anyone else in ME could have taken it even that far (except possibly Sam). If Elrond had been the one possessing the Ring instead of Isildur when Sauron was defeated the first time, I don't think he would have been able to throw it away. The fact that he and Cirdan did not take the Ring from Isildur by force, knowing what it was and that Sauron's ultimate demise was tied to it, says to me that the Ring influenced them. __________________ "Trust in the ball Jake.....and throw yourself."