2 questions about Lurtz - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Letty · 05-31-2006, 12:03 PM

I have two questions regarding Lurtz.

1,Did he exist in the book?

2.How would you have liked him if he had been female?Just imagine-terrifying, black,ugly,muscular,strong,scary...and female!
I would have loved that.

mormegil · 05-31-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Letty

1,Did he exist in the book?

No sadly PJ added a character instead of taking a perfectly acceptable book character

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Originally Posted by Letty

2.How would you have liked him if he had been female?Just imagine-terrifying, black,ugly,muscular,strong,scary...and female!
I would have loved that.

She would most likely be physically different if she were female. Probably like human men and women not as muscular in the general sense but stronger and scarier

ninja91 · 05-31-2006, 12:14 PM

So, were Lurtz and Ugluk the same character in the movies?

As for your second question, Lurtz female style would be too revolting to imagine!

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 05-31-2006, 12:42 PM

No. Ugluk has a small speaking part in TTT.

Beanamir of Gondor · 06-15-2006, 11:29 AM

Ugluk's fabulous line: "Look's like meat's back on the menu, boys!"

Lurtz was most definitely not in the book. Hey, Sean Bean had to have some kind of heroic, funky death scene.... *swoons*

ninja91 · 06-15-2006, 11:46 AM

Oh yeah, Lurtz was in command of the Uruk-Hai who pursued the Fellowship. I will say this once again: sometimes I make myself sound really stupid.

MatthewM · 06-16-2006, 01:58 PM

What do you mean Sean Bean needed a "funky" death scene? Boromir's death scene was done greatly, regardless of Sean Bean's "death status" in movies...a heroic death scene for a heroic character!

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-18-2006, 06:55 AM

It regards Boromir's death scene somehow needing the death of the main Orc, courtesy of Aragorn. So Lurtz was invented and Ugluk was relegated. What a shame. As the quotations on the top-right of your screen demonstrate, Ugluk commands.

ArathorofBarahir · 01-03-2007, 03:32 PM

To my knowledge Lurtz was not in the books and I really, really would not like to see or even have to think about a female Orc. I already know what male orcs look like and they're pretty gruesome lord knows what female orcs look like.

Elladan and Elrohir · 01-04-2007, 04:56 PM

Incidentally, they could have made Ugluk the main orc, had him kill Boromir just as Lurtz does, leave with the other Uruks, then build him up a bit more in TTT (like his character in the books), and eventually have him slain by the Rohirrim. All in all, that might've been a better solution, and closer to the book, although I do love the shot of Lurtz cocking his bow a foot away from Boromir's face. You would have to lose that shot, obviously.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-05-2007, 07:20 AM

I still think having Aragorn do some flash-fighting takes away some tragedy from Boromir's death. Perhaps they wanted to lessen the impact. Maybe they thought the death-scene too sad.

Boromir88 · 01-05-2007, 10:56 AM

Eomer, interesting point. I remember in a thread long long ago where you talked about, that at times in the movie it was really hard to get emotional. There was this sad, mournful scene, then suddenly Gimli's cracking jokes, or there's high-pushed action and you just can't get connected and emotionally involved into the movies. Yes I do remember that to this day.

So, is that kind of how you felt here too? Here's this sad death of a mighty warrior, who made a mighty stand, yet it's not as effective because as Boromir is sitting their gurgling on his own blood Aragorn is ninja-ing it up with Lurtz.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-05-2007, 11:51 AM

Exactly, Boro. You're right: I've made the same point before and it's floating about on the forum somewhere. It's one example of where I think the films were designed to be just that bit more accessible for all types of movie-goer; and not just those wanting a fine tragedy.

Knight of Gondor · 01-08-2007, 01:11 AM

I don't view the addition of a powerful Uruk captain as taking anything away from the film.

Peter Jackson explained that they wanted to give Boromir a more significant death than just the victim of many arrows fired by random orc soldiers. To have braved the Uruk-hai warriors with arrows already twisting his insides was indeed a great act, and a fitting, heroic end to the son of Gondor.

A female Lurtz? I don't think any of us would want to imagine such a thing!

FeRaL sHaDoW · 01-08-2007, 02:17 AM

A female lurtz

that would be scary wouldent want to get her mad. it would kill me if i woke up one morning with her lying in my bed next to me. just thinking bout it is enough to turn me off dating.

The Might · 01-08-2007, 06:58 AM

Lurtz had a pretty interesting bow in the movies and I wonder if it fits descriptions of Orc bows in the books (if there are any)

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-08-2007, 07:32 AM

But Knight, that would have been delivered had Ugluk killed Boromir.

Knight of Gondor · 01-09-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

But Knight, that would have been delivered had Ugluk killed Boromir.

True, except that PJ wanted to have a tiny climax to the action by having Aragorn defeat Lurtz.

05-31-2006, 12:03 PM	#1
Letty Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 48	2 questions about Lurtz I have two questions regarding Lurtz. 1,Did he exist in the book? 2.How would you have liked him if he had been female?Just imagine-terrifying, black,ugly,muscular,strong,scary...and female! I would have loved that. __________________ Ash to ash Dust to dust Fade to black I will have my vengeance-in this life or the next

05-31-2006, 12:42 PM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	No. Ugluk has a small speaking part in TTT. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-15-2006, 11:29 AM	#5
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	Ugluk's fabulous line: "Look's like meat's back on the menu, boys!" Lurtz was most definitely not in the book. Hey, Sean Bean had to have some kind of heroic, funky death scene.... swoons __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."

06-18-2006, 06:55 AM	#8
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	It regards Boromir's death scene somehow needing the death of the main Orc, courtesy of Aragorn. So Lurtz was invented and Ugluk was relegated. What a shame. As the quotations on the top-right of your screen demonstrate, Ugluk commands. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-03-2007, 03:32 PM	#9
ArathorofBarahir Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crickhallow Posts: 247	To my knowledge Lurtz was not in the books and I really, really would not like to see or even have to think about a female Orc. I already know what male orcs look like and they're pretty gruesome lord knows what female orcs look like. __________________ King of the Dead: The dead do not suffer the living to pass. Aragorn: You will suffer me.

06-16-2006, 01:58 PM	#7
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	What do you mean Sean Bean needed a "funky" death scene? Boromir's death scene was done greatly, regardless of Sean Bean's "death status" in movies...a heroic death scene for a heroic character!

01-04-2007, 04:56 PM	#10
Elladan and Elrohir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 332	Incidentally, they could have made Ugluk the main orc, had him kill Boromir just as Lurtz does, leave with the other Uruks, then build him up a bit more in TTT (like his character in the books), and eventually have him slain by the Rohirrim. All in all, that might've been a better solution, and closer to the book, although I do love the shot of Lurtz cocking his bow a foot away from Boromir's face. You would have to lose that shot, obviously. __________________ "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." THE HOBBIT - IT'S COMING

01-05-2007, 07:20 AM	#11
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I still think having Aragorn do some flash-fighting takes away some tragedy from Boromir's death. Perhaps they wanted to lessen the impact. Maybe they thought the death-scene too sad. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-05-2007, 10:56 AM	#12
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,518	Eomer, interesting point. I remember in a thread long long ago where you talked about, that at times in the movie it was really hard to get emotional. There was this sad, mournful scene, then suddenly Gimli's cracking jokes, or there's high-pushed action and you just can't get connected and emotionally involved into the movies. Yes I do remember that to this day. So, is that kind of how you felt here too? Here's this sad death of a mighty warrior, who made a mighty stand, yet it's not as effective because as Boromir is sitting their gurgling on his own blood Aragorn is ninja-ing it up with Lurtz. __________________ Fenris Penguin

01-05-2007, 11:51 AM	#13
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Exactly, Boro. You're right: I've made the same point before and it's floating about on the forum somewhere. It's one example of where I think the films were designed to be just that bit more accessible for all types of movie-goer; and not just those wanting a fine tragedy. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-08-2007, 01:11 AM	#14
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	I don't view the addition of a powerful Uruk captain as taking anything away from the film. Peter Jackson explained that they wanted to give Boromir a more significant death than just the victim of many arrows fired by random orc soldiers. To have braved the Uruk-hai warriors with arrows already twisting his insides was indeed a great act, and a fitting, heroic end to the son of Gondor. A female Lurtz? I don't think any of us would want to imagine such a thing! __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

01-08-2007, 02:17 AM	#15
FeRaL sHaDoW Wight Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 232	A female lurtz that would be scary wouldent want to get her mad. it would kill me if i woke up one morning with her lying in my bed next to me. just thinking bout it is enough to turn me off dating. __________________ God created night, but man created darkness.... Last edited by FeRaL sHaDoW; 01-08-2007 at 02:22 AM.

01-08-2007, 06:58 AM	#16
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Lurtz had a pretty interesting bow in the movies and I wonder if it fits descriptions of Orc bows in the books (if there are any) __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-08-2007, 07:32 AM	#17
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	But Knight, that would have been delivered had Ugluk killed Boromir. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond