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04-02-2006, 03:57 PM | #1 | |
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The Hobbit - Chapter 12 - Inside Information
Finally – this chapter introduces us to the Dragon Smaug! Despite the danger and excitement that this brings, for me the most important element of the chapter is dialogue, especially between Smaug and Bilbo. We have witty exchanges, proverbial sayings, and significant informational connecting passages.
The dwarves, as so often in this book, don’t look too good in this part of the story. They hang back from entering the caves and tunnels of the Mountain and let Bilbo go into danger alone. “Decent enough... if you don’t expect too much” is as good as comments about them get. Of all of them, Balin is shown to be the best in this situation. In Tolkien’s other books, we see dwarves who are heroes. Bilbo shows his courage here, with his going on into unknown danger praised as his greatest bravery. He manages to converse with the dragon skilfully, keeping Smaug intrigued with his riddles, and even withstands the spell tolerably well. We do read that he feels as a dwarf when he sees the treasure – do you think that would apply to any race, or are hobbits naturally closer to dwarves? What do you think of the description of Smaug? At any rate, the question of whether or not he is winged is not enigmatic! Obviously the dwarves did not really think through what they would need to do to get rid of him and reclaim their treasure. The dragon himself points out the problems to Bilbo – and plants the seeds of doubt and suspicion over their truthfulness in his mind. How do you feel when you read Smaug’s conversation with him? Again, a thrush plays a role in the development, though we don’t know what significance it will have yet. I can’t help but wonder why Tolkien chose thrushes to be magical and important birds in this story. Why do you think Bilbo does not trust the bird? We hear the dwarves tell of the various treasures, with the Arkenstone being the most significant. What do you make of it? At the end of the chapter, the point of view changes, and we follow Smaug, hearing his thoughts and knowing what he plans to do next. That gives the reader a cliff-hanger feeling, though Bilbo and the dwarves do not know what occurs while they wait in the tunnel. What aspect of this chapter is special to you? I enjoy the proverbs with a twist; here are a few of them: Quote:
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I am rather fond of this chapter - largely because, I suppose, I am rather fond of Smaug. After eleven chapters leading up to a confrontation of some kind with the dragon, it would be easy for his eventual introduction to be a disappointment. It is not. On the contrary, the powerful and somewhat "high-mythological" character of Smaug makes quite an impression after the many "lower", more comic, adventures of Bilbo and the Dwarves.
But Smaug is no mere villain. He is a dragon. And Tolkien was well aware that dragons are special. In "On Fairy Stories" he says: Quote:
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So Tolkien understood what dragons are about. They are not just powerful villains; they are the embodiment of evil, cunning, greed, and, of course, Faerie. Look at the way Smaug speaks: Quote:
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My point here is that, despite the great disparity in tone between The Hobbit and The Silmarillion, Tolkien is completely consistent in his characterization of dragons. Glaurung was, of course, already in existence when Smaug was invented. By placing a dragon - and one very much like Glaurung - in this work, Tolkien is, in my opinion, lifting The Hobbit into another plane. |
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04-04-2006, 07:39 AM | #3 |
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This chapter does point out some good qualities in Bilbo.
After all, say what you will, he had good manners for a thief and a liar. More later on this excellent chapter, however, it should be noted that given Smaug's strength, ability to fly rings around any balrog, and intelligence, his tale must have made an epic tragedy in dragon lore (always assuming there were other lesser, and literate, dragons around).
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04-04-2006, 09:59 AM | #4 |
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Dragon Etiquette for Dummies
This chapter alone marks the entire mythos of how to deal with dragons in every role playing game that ever came out after LOTR. They basically like thier butts kissed.
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Thank you Estelyn for another well done entry to this chapter by chapter discussion. You put us all to shame with your great dedication, patience and persistence.
Aiwendil's post is also very well done, putting Smaug in the context of story and fairie and dragon lore; I don't think I could add much. Tolkien's initial description of Smaug is interesting in its familiar domesticity and in its details appealing to the senses. Sound must have been important to Tolkien I would think. And here we have another example of Tolkien's dislike of cats! Quote:
As Bilbo sneaks down the tunnel, I cannot help but recall that hobbits too lived underground and wonder if this familiarity with tunnels is something that aids Bilbo. I enjoy Bilbo's riddling with Smaug, particularly his name-creation; it is almost a species of boasting and really lifts Bilbo's character, particularly in its lyrical quality. Here is a suggestion of Bilbo's penchant for writing which will later allow him to write his tales. Interesting too how he refers to the Ring: Quote:
There is one final passage I find particularly intriguing. It begins the description of Bilbo's coming under the spell of the treasure hoard. Quote:
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Just on the titles Bilbo claims for himself here. I'm reminded of
The Song of Amergin. If you compare the two (first Bilbo's riddling titles, then Amergin's song Quote:
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04-09-2006, 09:43 AM | #7 | ||
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04-16-2006, 08:44 PM | #8 |
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Esty, you must be a saint, keeping up this task week after week, with so little public response...
As one of the tardy, I can only seek forgivenes. And post. Which I shall do now. Anyway, this chapter, with the dialogue of Bilbo and Smaug, is the true high point of the story- for me. Dragons in general fascinate me, and dragons as Tolkien painted them in particular. Glaurung is probably one of my favourite characters in the Silmarillion, and I really have to thank and commend Aiwendil for his comparisons between Glaurung and Smaug. Alas, but I still itch for more... what was the tale of Scatha? What of the other dragons, who drove Thrór and his kin out of the North? What, indeed, of Ancalagon the Black? Ah well... at least there's Chrysophylax in Farmer Giles of Ham... The dialogue, of course, is what makes the chapter. Smaug is probably the most entertaining character in the entire Hobbit. I would love to see him in conversation with other characters, like Thorin, Gandalf, Elrond, or someone from elsewhere in the Legendarium. Saruman would be particularly interesting, I think. Imagine the seductive power of his voice pitched against that of Smaug.
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