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In the TTT in the chapter The White Rider, Page 484 Gandalf says to Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas: (this is when he first reunites with them in Fangorn)
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If you remember, Frodo seemed to hear Gandalf's voice when he sat on Amon Hen in the scene you mentioned. At that time, Gandalf had just recently been brought back to life as Gandalf the White, and was either in Lórien, or, as he implies, sat on Gwaihir. Either way, he perceived the danger to the Ring, which was still relatively near, and helped the way he could.
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Do you mean this quote?
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The only time I remember a memory of Gandalf at this scene is in the movie, but I'm sure J.R.R. Tolkien wouldn't have been talking about that in his book since he would not have seen it [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] lol
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When you put the quotes together I think it's safe to assume that the voice was Gandalf's, somehow 'mind-speaking' with Frodo, though I don't know how as Frodo was, of course, a hobbit, not an elf or Ainu.
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It's likely that Frodo's putting on the One Ring played a large part in Gandalf being able to communicate with him. In Lórien, Galadriel knows exactly how many times Frodo has previously worn the Ring. Likewise, as soon as Sauron forged the One and wore it for the first time, the bearers of the Three Elven Rings were aware of him and his intentions.
Gandalf would have been able to perceive Frodo through his own ring, Narya. Similarly, Sauron came very close to discovering Frodo because he was wearing It, and because he was on Amon Hen. There are no other times when Sauron comes so close to sensing Frodo.
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I don't think it had anything to do with the rings of power, but that has been discussed in the thread http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin...745&p=1#000020
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Doug, thanks, that makes a whole lot more sense to me now...i just wonder why it isn't mentioned that the little voice in his head is Gandalf's and not his own lol but I guess it's because Frodo himself didn't realize this and because we are still supposed to think that Gandalf is dead at that point.
<font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:06 PM January 22, 2004: Message edited by: Armetiel ]
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I agree that the time of peril is frodo's encounter on Amon Hen, however i disagree to the point that it is gandalfs voice in his head. Gandalf wrenched Sauron's will towards himself... rather than let his gaze pass onto frodo. I always believed that it was frodo wising up and his stronger hobbit sense kindling that stoked him to take the ring off, perhaps gandalf had something to do with it... i doubt it.
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It could be me, but I think I saw in the appencices (sp?) that at the time that Frodo weared the ring at Amon Hen, Gandalf challenged the dark tower to draw Sauron's gaze away from frodo. Because the sence of sauron passed over frodo and then turned north and dissapeared, I think this is Gandalf's work because he battled the dark tower at that moment. Like Galadriel did so many times.
This is what I just base on the little memory I have of a passage, it could be true, but I don't think that Gandalf had a mind to mind connection with Frodo, for Frodo would have been clever enough to regocnise Gandalf's voice. Even faster now that he needed him most. And Frodo did not know that Gandalf was alive until he woke up in Minas Tirith. ~Potatothan
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The actual text is:
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