Do you think that Witch-King is full of himself? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

NicktheOrc · 06-22-2002, 05:17 AM

I think that the Witch-King is full of himself, to be honest. Do you think so? Here's an example...

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"Old fool!" he said. "Old fool! This is my hour! Do you not know death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!" - Witch-King

From "The Siege Of Gondor" , Page 113

That's all. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Anna Licumo · 06-22-2002, 09:36 AM

Yep, I'll agree on that one. If he wasn't being so busy bloating his ego, he might have figured out that riddle of "no man can kill him." I mean, duh. If you're head of teh Nagul you'd think you'd know something by then.

Amanaduial the archer · 06-22-2002, 10:18 AM

well i guess all the bad guys tend to be rather full of themselves. I mean confidence gets people further and without confidence how cud he do all the terrible things hes had to do to become head of the nazgul?

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Vimes would never like to be faced by a nice man with a gun. He didnt mind if it was a ruthless man because they were bound to draw it out and get cocky. But a kind man...theyd jut shoot you and get it over with.

thats from a terry practhett book. Confidence comes with ruthlessness. If youve killed hundreds of ppl in a range of brilliant and colourful ways (yes i know i sound like a wallpaper ad) then of course u get cocky.

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 06-22-2002, 11:50 AM

I actually know a real person like that. He says he's a vampire and is narcissitic (sp?). I guess it takes a lot of will power not to become full of yourself if you have a lot of power

Evenstar1 · 06-22-2002, 08:22 PM

You know someone who claims to be a vampire? Uh, just a guess: perhaps his delusions exceed that of vanity? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Amanaduial the archer · 06-23-2002, 06:35 AM

i have an, erm, aquaintance who also claims to be a vampire. Hes mad tho...i mean seriously, he once came into school with a whole round of machine gun bullets...but no gun....
Hes also tried to bite me on the neck before. That hurt. Honestly it really really wrecked! In a big ouchy hurty way...

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 06-23-2002, 12:29 PM

He follows the religion of vampirism, yes it exists. At least he claims to. He's a narcissistic moron.

Back on track, people have, or think they have power can get fat headed

GreatWarg · 06-23-2002, 01:04 PM

Okay, that's just real freaky and scary...

06-23-2002, 01:13 PM

Oh well, he's knida mad, and a il bit fulled of himself..But hes a nice guy
[img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Daisy Sandybanks · 06-23-2002, 01:20 PM

Vampirism really exsist? Huh, I knew Vampire Cults exsisted... but never Vampirism as a real religion, type, thingy... heh..
Anyway, off topic there.. um, full of himself, yes, I'll have to agree on that, very conceded little fellow isn't he...

Amanaduial the archer · 06-23-2002, 01:25 PM

my "vampire" aquaintance isnt even nice, hes just freaky...and ouchy...

vampirism cant technically exist as it doesnt have a god or an idea of ultimate good/wholeness/wholesomeness. It has only the idea of evil, the devil. It is technically an anti-religion.

ummmm...howd we get to this by the way?

Evenstar1 · 06-23-2002, 08:38 PM

Actually, Tolkienly-speaking, wouldn't vampirism -- or any devil-worshiping-religion -- be tantamount to the lifestyles of the Nazgul? With Melkor/Morgoth as the devil and Sauron as the high priest/head Count Dracula? And, as they all followed down the path of Melkor's example, they all thought that their own ideas were the best ones. (Sauron, Saruman, etc.)

Which brings us back to the original question. And to a new one: Sure, the WKoA was cocky, but hadn't he relinquished his will-power to Sauron (via the rings), and hadn't he lost the ability to choose to be "full of himself," because he could only do Sauron's bidding?

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 06-24-2002, 08:32 AM

That makes sense.

Cathelm · 06-24-2002, 03:43 PM

I was just thinking... Aren't the Nazgul slaves to the rings/sauron? So it would be Sauron that's full of himself... Really really full of himself. Or maybe their twisted minds just enjoy being feared by all.

Just another idea from the one who knows so little (me).

The Silver-shod Muse · 06-26-2002, 11:17 AM

I didn't think that the Nazgul had emotions like that. I assumed that anything they felt was planted there by Sauron or had filtered down into their will through his.

About vampirism - that is absolutely the sickest thing I've ever heard of. He/she actually bit you? Whoever that is needs some serious psychological therapy.

NicktheOrc · 06-27-2002, 12:21 AM

Stop filling my discussion with your vampire $hit!

^^ this is a quick way to lose posting provileges on the Downs ^^
- The Barrow-Wight -

[ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: The Barrow-Wight ]

Daniel Telcontar · 06-27-2002, 01:19 AM

I am afraid that you can't really control "your" discussion like that, only the administrators can. And well, if it is off-topic, and shouldn't be posted here, I think the wight is man enough to handle it.

Bramblerose Gamgee-Took · 06-27-2002, 01:54 AM

Well, I'm glad I didn't add to that vampire conversation. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

Well on the subject, I think he had a pretty big head about himself. Sauron was the Naguls creators, so they maybe believed themselves and Sauron to be the most powerful.

And welcome to the Downs! I also notice that your from Australia. I also live in Australia

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 06-27-2002, 06:06 AM

I think he was full of himself in the way that he thought he couldn't be killed. Kind of like the way Captain Ahab thought he couldn't die He got a prophecy about his death and got caught on a technicality.

^^^ This is the proper response when a thread goes off-topic. Bring it back on topic. Thanks Aldagrim.
- The Barrow-Wight -

[ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: Aldagrim Proudfoot ]

[ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: The Barrow-Wight ]

The Silver-shod Muse · 07-01-2002, 06:30 PM

Your sig is fitting, Nick. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Sweatpea Knotwise · 07-23-2002, 03:42 PM

Disregarding the theory that it's actually Sauron's ego on display, It would make sense for the WK to be conceited since it was through his hubris that he was enslaved.

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 07-24-2002, 08:24 AM

That gets me thinking. Did he actually know he was a slave to Sauron, or did he think he had it good being so powerful.

Kuruharan · 07-24-2002, 09:27 AM

He knew. His will was chained to his own Ring that Sauron held. Thus, he had no will of his own, just Sauron's will. If he knew anything in his wretched state, he knew that he was Sauron's slave.

06-22-2002, 09:36 AM	#2
Anna Licumo Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Eryn Lasgalen... okay, KS actually. ::sigh:: Posts: 78	Yep, I'll agree on that one. If he wasn't being so busy bloating his ego, he might have figured out that riddle of "no man can kill him." I mean, duh. If you're head of teh Nagul you'd think you'd know something by then. __________________ Rock-a-bye Nazgul, on Weathertop, when the Ring calls, the horses will run. And when Sauron calls, the Nazgul will go, and down will come evil, Ringwraiths and all!

06-22-2002, 11:50 AM	#4
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	I actually know a real person like that. He says he's a vampire and is narcissitic (sp?). I guess it takes a lot of will power not to become full of yourself if you have a lot of power __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

06-22-2002, 08:22 PM	#5
Evenstar1 Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colorado (just east of the Misty Mts.) Posts: 111	You know someone who claims to be a vampire? Uh, just a guess: perhaps his delusions exceed that of vanity? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ - Eve

06-23-2002, 06:35 AM	#6
Amanaduial the archer Shadow of Starlight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: dancing among the ledgerlines... Posts: 2,347	i have an, erm, aquaintance who also claims to be a vampire. Hes mad tho...i mean seriously, he once came into school with a whole round of machine gun bullets...but no gun.... Hes also tried to bite me on the neck before. That hurt. Honestly it really really wrecked! In a big ouchy hurty way... __________________ I am what I was, a harmless little devil

06-23-2002, 12:29 PM	#7
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	He follows the religion of vampirism, yes it exists. At least he claims to. He's a narcissistic moron. Back on track, people have, or think they have power can get fat headed __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

06-23-2002, 01:04 PM	#8
GreatWarg Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: East of the Misty Mountains Posts: 339	Okay, that's just real freaky and scary... __________________ "What shall we do, what shall we do!" he cried. "Escaping goblins to be caught be wolves!"

06-23-2002, 01:13 PM	#9
WonderDun Guest Posts: n/a	Oh well, he's knida mad, and a il bit fulled of himself..But hes a nice guy [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

06-23-2002, 01:20 PM	#10
Daisy Sandybanks Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: California Posts: 101	Vampirism really exsist? Huh, I knew Vampire Cults exsisted... but never Vampirism as a real religion, type, thingy... heh.. Anyway, off topic there.. um, full of himself, yes, I'll have to agree on that, very conceded little fellow isn't he... __________________ Knowlege is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil.

06-23-2002, 01:25 PM	#11
Amanaduial the archer Shadow of Starlight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: dancing among the ledgerlines... Posts: 2,347	my "vampire" aquaintance isnt even nice, hes just freaky...and ouchy... vampirism cant technically exist as it doesnt have a god or an idea of ultimate good/wholeness/wholesomeness. It has only the idea of evil, the devil. It is technically an anti-religion. ummmm...howd we get to this by the way? __________________ I am what I was, a harmless little devil

06-23-2002, 08:38 PM	#12
Evenstar1 Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colorado (just east of the Misty Mts.) Posts: 111	Actually, Tolkienly-speaking, wouldn't vampirism -- or any devil-worshiping-religion -- be tantamount to the lifestyles of the Nazgul? With Melkor/Morgoth as the devil and Sauron as the high priest/head Count Dracula? And, as they all followed down the path of Melkor's example, they all thought that their own ideas were the best ones. (Sauron, Saruman, etc.) Which brings us back to the original question. And to a new one: Sure, the WKoA was cocky, but hadn't he relinquished his will-power to Sauron (via the rings), and hadn't he lost the ability to choose to be "full of himself," because he could only do Sauron's bidding? __________________ - Eve

06-24-2002, 08:32 AM	#13
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	That makes sense. __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

06-24-2002, 03:43 PM	#14
Cathelm Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 47	I was just thinking... Aren't the Nazgul slaves to the rings/sauron? So it would be Sauron that's full of himself... Really really full of himself. Or maybe their twisted minds just enjoy being feared by all. Just another idea from the one who knows so little (me).

06-26-2002, 11:17 AM	#15
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	I didn't think that the Nazgul had emotions like that. I assumed that anything they felt was planted there by Sauron or had filtered down into their will through his. About vampirism - that is absolutely the sickest thing I've ever heard of. He/she actually bit you? Whoever that is needs some serious psychological therapy. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

06-27-2002, 12:21 AM	#16
NicktheOrc Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Witch-Realm of Angmar, a.k.a. some place in Australia Posts: 40	Stop filling my discussion with your vampire $hit! ^^ this is a quick way to lose posting provileges on the Downs ^^ - The Barrow-Wight - [ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: The Barrow-Wight ] __________________ Hmmm... Spider-Man getting the One Ring would be an interesting crossover...

06-27-2002, 01:19 AM	#17
Daniel Telcontar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 713	I am afraid that you can't really control "your" discussion like that, only the administrators can. And well, if it is off-topic, and shouldn't be posted here, I think the wight is man enough to handle it. __________________ Two beer or not two beer, that is the question; by Shakesbeer

06-27-2002, 01:54 AM	#18
Bramblerose Gamgee-Took Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bywater Posts: 67	Well, I'm glad I didn't add to that vampire conversation. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] Well on the subject, I think he had a pretty big head about himself. Sauron was the Naguls creators, so they maybe believed themselves and Sauron to be the most powerful. And welcome to the Downs! I also notice that your from Australia. I also live in Australia

06-27-2002, 06:06 AM	#19
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	I think he was full of himself in the way that he thought he couldn't be killed. Kind of like the way Captain Ahab thought he couldn't die He got a prophecy about his death and got caught on a technicality. ^^^ This is the proper response when a thread goes off-topic. Bring it back on topic. Thanks Aldagrim. - The Barrow-Wight - [ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: Aldagrim Proudfoot ] [ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: The Barrow-Wight ] __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

07-01-2002, 06:30 PM	#20
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	Your sig is fitting, Nick. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

07-23-2002, 03:42 PM	#21
Sweatpea Knotwise Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 17	Disregarding the theory that it's actually Sauron's ego on display, It would make sense for the WK to be conceited since it was through his hubris that he was enslaved. __________________ Single Hobbit Lass seeks Single Hobbit Lad, enjoys quiet evenings at home and the occasional spot of Old Toby. Talent: a killer seedcake. Contact “The ‘Pea” at Willowrot Row, Michel Delving.

07-24-2002, 08:24 AM	#22
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	That gets me thinking. Did he actually know he was a slave to Sauron, or did he think he had it good being so powerful. __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

07-24-2002, 09:27 AM	#23
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	He knew. His will was chained to his own Ring that Sauron held. Thus, he had no will of his own, just Sauron's will. If he knew anything in his wretched state, he knew that he was Sauron's slave. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...