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Fordim Hedgethistle · 09-02-2004, 08:56 AM

BD Press Release

Professor Fordim Hedgethistle, BA MA PhD today announced the launch of the Barrow Down's first Non Governmental Organisation: PEster Davem for A New Title (PEDANT).

Prof Hedgethistle told those present that he had learned from "an extremely reliable source" that davem has recieved an offer of a personal title, but that he has -- as yet -- not take up the option of submitting one to the Wight.

Prof Hedgethistle went on to say that he, along with "many other concerned Downers" felt that davem's lack of a title made little sense given his current standing in the reputation rankings, and in particular, given his "remarkable ability to stimulate intelligent discussion in a variety of threads."

Downers who are concerned about davem's lack of a personal title should post their concerns in this thread, in the hopes that grass roots support can move davem to action.

Any Downers with suggested titles for davem can post them here as well.

Prof Hedgethistle concluded the press conference with an appeal to the Wight not to close this thread or to take any kind of punitive action against the progenitor of this thread, or any of its participants.

When taking questions from reporters, Prof Hedgethistle confirmed that PEDANT is an unauthorised lobby, neither supported nor endorsed by davem, but he hoped that davem would not mind the foundation of the NGO.

mark12_30 · 09-02-2004, 09:03 AM

Muttering hobbit sits in back of thread, not very well hidden by it.

"davem ... maved. Nothing jumps out at me there. But sideways, medav... madev... hmm. Mad what? Mad v.. v... nothing. Just like no avatar; perhaps something about being mad and faceless. The Mad Mask? The Mad Masked ... hmmm. The Face of Madness. Mask of Madness?"

Hobbit continues muttering, angling to be better hidden by the dangling thread from the PENDANTish professor.

Mithalwen · 09-02-2004, 10:46 AM

Mithalwen sneaks in late as usual, bag overflowing and spilling books and pens but not a drop of coffee... knowing profs have a tendancy to make the back row move to the front, she takes a obscure place just far enough from the back and next to the window.... she too attempts anagrams for inspiration ......... ademv.... hmmm Archer of Agincourt....

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-02-2004, 12:07 PM

*Esty opens the door to peek in and says in a stage whisper, "Hey, did you see? He's at least got an avatar now! There is yet hope!"

Fordim Hedgethistle · 09-02-2004, 12:25 PM

Huzzah! Huzzah! Bravo!!

Chalk one up for PEDANT.

Diamond18 · 09-02-2004, 10:23 PM

In light of this post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by davem

Going completely off topic here, can I just say, in case I somehow get the reputation of being a Godless commie pinko liberal bedwetter (& leave the whole discussion of it right here) that the older I get the more wisdom I see in Tolkien's 'political' position of 'anarchism, philosophically understood'. In short, I'm not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side.

I move that "Godless Commie Pinko Liberal Bedwetter" would make an excellent title.

Mwooah ha ha ha!

Evisse the Blue · 09-03-2004, 03:30 AM

Evisse puts on some glasses and peers closely at Exhibit A, that is, davem's avatar.
Trying to hide the fact that she has no idea what the avatar is supposed to represent, she studies it attentively for a couple of seconds, muttering: "Interesting...yes, quite interesting".

Then, being in the mood of a controversy, she began, in a solemn voice:

"But I ask you, my fellow Downers, although I'm not in doubt of your good intentions, I'm slightly taken aback by your verocious attack on one of us, so to speak, for the base purpose of his getting a personal title, or should I say, be caged by the two (or three at most) words that usually constitute a personal titles here on the Downs? And for what immediate purpose? Solely for the sake of your viewing and chatting pleasure, is that not right? So that afterwards you may praise its wit, its careful choice of wording, its appropriateness, and then, after a while, completely forget about it and ignore it, in the mass of personal title that has come to crowd our barrow, or become so accustomed to it, as to refer to our complex, controversial, multi-layered and considerably intelligent poster, not as he wants to be known (that is, davem, which is his name, after all), but as, say, Loremaster of the Seventh Age, or Oversized Hobbit Wanderer, or God knows what else, maybe even Lord of the Rings."

*fearful gasps interrupted her speech, when she dared to utter the unutterable*

During the noisy debates that followed, she tiptoed outside, leaving her speech unfinished.

davem · 09-03-2004, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evisse

Evisse puts on some glasses and peers closely at Exhibit A, that is, davem's avatar.
Trying to hide the fact that she has no idea what the avatar is supposed to represent, she studies it attentively for a couple of seconds, muttering: "Interesting...yes, quite interesting".

Its supposed to be this - Denis Bridoux's version of the Tolkien Society logo. It shows the two trees, the Silmarils & the Sun & Moon.

And I had a lot of trouble putting it up as it is! Ask Helen.
http://www.jobexec.com/cgi/account/DEM004b.gif

mark12_30 · 09-03-2004, 06:29 AM

That avatar rocks. Totally.

And if the rest of us had to work so hard for our avatars, there would be fewer of them. (insert anti-MAC tirade here) ....nah, nevermind.

Two trees, silmarils, sun&moon... and is that Meneltarma? No, of course not. Silly me. It's that valinorish mountain that Manwe's throne is on. Yeah, yeah, that one, the one called... gmph....
>>_<<
Gah.

Somebody help me.

Everwhite. Mount Everwhite. What's the elvish name??

davem · 09-03-2004, 06:36 AM

Taniquetil, Amon Uilos, Crowned with Stars, Elerrína, Everlasting Whiteness, Holy Mountain, Mountain of Manwë, Oiolossë, White Mountain.

(Encyclopedia of Arda)

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-03-2004, 06:38 AM

Taniquetil

(Do I get to ask the next quiz question?

Oops, wrong forum... )

edit: Darnit! davem beat me to it. 0 points for the candidate...

mark12_30 · 09-03-2004, 07:14 AM

Yes, Esty! You do indeed-- naturally, davem is dq'ed despite his dizzying didactics-- pending pronouncement of his personal title.

Of course you COULD ask the quiz question, What Should Davem's Personal Title Be...

mark12_30 · 09-03-2004, 07:42 AM

I SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!
I SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Illustrious Ulairi

(choir of elvish voices chimes in, suddenly interrupted by chorus of dark, growly, screechy voices)

.... Nazgul????

*hides*

Child of the 7th Age · 09-03-2004, 08:16 AM

There does seem to be a rush to this thread.... May I offer hearty congratulations to the learned but reluctant Illustrious Ulairi!!

Imladris · 09-03-2004, 08:28 AM

But, forgive my ignorance, what is an Ulairi?

Congratulations, davem! Though I'm not quite sure what it means, it's a lovely title.

HerenIstarion · 09-03-2004, 08:32 AM

Dark and Winding one, I assume...

Congratulations seconded

davem · 09-03-2004, 08:44 AM

From Encyclopedia of Arda:

Quote:

Úlairi
A name for the Ringwraiths

The rarely used Elvish name for the creatures of darkness more commonly called Nazgûl or Ringwraiths.

ARRGGHH!! being a lousy Elvish scholar I now think it should be 'Illustrious Ulair' - isn't Ulairi the plural? Let me know somebody, & I'll get Esty to amend it.

See what happens when you try & show off

piosenniel · 09-03-2004, 09:06 AM

According to the Quenya to English wordlists from the Ardalambion site, the singular is possibly:

Úlairë or Úlair

Congrats to you!

~*~ Pio

Bêthberry · 09-03-2004, 09:11 AM

I knew that davem of all people would not hold out against our 'canon' rules concerning Personal Titles for long, although I did enjoy his nonconformity for however brief it was.

And right, HI a dark and winding one it is.

I cannot say which I enjoy more: the thought of davem being an iconoclast, or his new title. It trips lightly and lyrically off the tongue, davem. Nicely done indeed.

*goes off to delete that post from Bilbo S. Thompson on the news entry in response to Fordim's scrum*

Mithalwen · 09-03-2004, 10:54 AM

Well I guess PEDANT will now have to be disbanded .... a short lived but effective NGO ......... And I thought it might be a second Jarndyce v. Jarndyce and Jarndyce....

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-03-2004, 01:24 PM

This was the fastest case of pressure from the people accomplishing something since GDR people spent their Monday evenings chanting, "Wir sind das Volk"!

Lhunardawen · 09-03-2004, 02:22 PM

Finally! I had anticipated davem's being a Ghost Prince and expected that as soon as he becomes one, he shall have a personal title.

But why so dark a title, I wonder?

And about the plural thing, I guess it would be quite appropriate, considering the depth and range of his thought equals that of many ordinary people combined!

Evisse the Blue · 09-04-2004, 12:49 AM

Yes, I also wondered why so dark a title. But it's very melodic, it's meant to be an assonance, right? You can't change it to Ulair without destroying a bit of that rhythm. Maybe this will persuade you

:

Quote:

And about the plural thing, I guess it would be quite appropriate, considering the depth and range of his thought equals that of many ordinary people combined!

Also, your avatar is a real beauty, now that I saw it larger, in that link you provided.

davem · 09-04-2004, 02:11 AM

[QUOTE=Evisse}Yes, I also wondered why so dark a title. But it's very melodic, it's meant to be an assonance, right? You can't change it to Ulair without destroying a bit of that rhythm. [/QUOTE]

I know! But now you see what happens when you rush me. It's all very well demanding people to be hasty, but trouble always comes of it

Lhunardawen · 09-04-2004, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davem

It's all very well demanding people to be hasty, but trouble always comes of it

Somehow I see this situation as an exemption to the rule...

mark12_30 · 09-04-2004, 04:41 AM

If H-I can be five wizards, you can be a plurality of Naz.

Fordim Hedgethistle · 09-04-2004, 06:10 AM

success!

Lhunardawen · 09-05-2004, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fordim Hedgethistle

success!

Does this mean that the PEDANT would be dissolved? Will this thread be closed forever?

09-02-2004, 08:56 AM	#1
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	Pedant *BD Press Release* Professor Fordim Hedgethistle, BA MA PhD today announced the launch of the Barrow Down's first Non Governmental Organisation: PEster Davem for A New Title (PEDANT). Prof Hedgethistle told those present that he had learned from "an extremely reliable source" that davem has recieved an offer of a personal title, but that he has -- as yet -- not take up the option of submitting one to the Wight. Prof Hedgethistle went on to say that he, along with "many other concerned Downers" felt that davem's lack of a title made little sense given his current standing in the reputation rankings, and in particular, given his "remarkable ability to stimulate intelligent discussion in a variety of threads." Downers who are concerned about davem's lack of a personal title should post their concerns in this thread, in the hopes that grass roots support can move davem to action. Any Downers with suggested titles for davem can post them here as well. Prof Hedgethistle concluded the press conference with an appeal to the Wight not to close this thread or to take any kind of punitive action against the progenitor of this thread, or any of its participants. When taking questions from reporters, Prof Hedgethistle confirmed that PEDANT is an unauthorised lobby, neither supported nor endorsed by davem, but he hoped that davem would not mind the foundation of the NGO.

09-02-2004, 10:46 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Mithalwen sneaks in late as usual, bag overflowing and spilling books and pens but not a drop of coffee... knowing profs have a tendancy to make the back row move to the front, she takes a obscure place just far enough from the back and next to the window.... she too attempts anagrams for inspiration ......... ademv.... hmmm Archer of Agincourt.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-02-2004, 12:07 PM	#4
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	*Esty opens the door to peek in and says in a stage whisper, "Hey, did you see? He's at least got an avatar now! There is yet hope!" __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-02-2004, 12:25 PM	#5
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	Huzzah! Huzzah! Bravo!! Chalk one up for PEDANT. __________________ Scribbling scrabbling.

09-03-2004, 03:30 AM	#7
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Evisse puts on some glasses and peers closely at Exhibit A, that is, davem's avatar. Trying to hide the fact that she has no idea what the avatar is supposed to represent, she studies it attentively for a couple of seconds, muttering: "Interesting...yes, quite interesting". Then, being in the mood of a controversy, she began, in a solemn voice: "But I ask you, my fellow Downers, although I'm not in doubt of your good intentions, I'm slightly taken aback by your verocious attack on one of us, so to speak, for the base purpose of his getting a personal title, or should I say, be caged by the two (or three at most) words that usually constitute a personal titles here on the Downs? And for what immediate purpose? Solely for the sake of your viewing and chatting pleasure, is that not right? So that afterwards you may praise its wit, its careful choice of wording, its appropriateness, and then, after a while, completely forget about it and ignore it, in the mass of personal title that has come to crowd our barrow, or become so accustomed to it, as to refer to our complex, controversial, multi-layered and considerably intelligent poster, not as he wants to be known (that is, davem, which is his name, after all), but as, say, Loremaster of the Seventh Age, or Oversized Hobbit Wanderer, or God knows what else, maybe even Lord of the Rings." fearful gasps interrupted her speech, when she dared to utter the unutterable During the noisy debates that followed, she tiptoed outside, leaving her speech unfinished. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

09-02-2004, 09:03 AM	#2
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Muttering hobbit sits in back of thread, not very well hidden by it. "davem ... maved. Nothing jumps out at me there. But sideways, medav... madev... hmm. Mad what? Mad v.. v... nothing. Just like no avatar; perhaps something about being mad and faceless. The Mad Mask? The Mad Masked ... hmmm. The Face of Madness. Mask of Madness?" Hobbit continues muttering, angling to be better hidden by the dangling thread from the PENDANTish professor.

09-03-2004, 06:29 AM	#9
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	That avatar rocks. Totally. And if the rest of us had to work so hard for our avatars, there would be fewer of them. (insert anti-MAC tirade here) ....nah, nevermind. Two trees, silmarils, sun&moon... and is that Meneltarma? No, of course not. Silly me. It's that valinorish mountain that Manwe's throne is on. Yeah, yeah, that one, the one called... gmph.... >>_<< Gah. Somebody help me. Everwhite. Mount Everwhite. What's the elvish name?? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

09-03-2004, 06:36 AM	#10
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Taniquetil, Amon Uilos, Crowned with Stars, Elerrína, Everlasting Whiteness, Holy Mountain, Mountain of Manwë, Oiolossë, White Mountain. (Encyclopedia of Arda) __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

09-03-2004, 06:38 AM	#11
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Taniquetil (Do I get to ask the next quiz question? Oops, wrong forum... ) edit: Darnit! davem beat me to it. 0 points for the candidate... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-03-2004, 07:14 AM	#12
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Yes, Esty! You do indeed-- naturally, davem is dq'ed despite his dizzying didactics-- pending pronouncement of his personal title. Of course you COULD ask the quiz question, What Should Davem's Personal Title Be... __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

09-03-2004, 07:42 AM	#13
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I SEE IT!!!!!!!!!! I SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Illustrious Ulairi (choir of elvish voices chimes in, suddenly interrupted by chorus of dark, growly, screechy voices) .... Nazgul???? hides __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

09-03-2004, 08:16 AM	#14
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	There does seem to be a rush to this thread.... May I offer hearty congratulations to the learned but reluctant Illustrious Ulairi!! __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

09-03-2004, 08:28 AM	#15
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	But, forgive my ignorance, what is an Ulairi? Congratulations, davem! Though I'm not quite sure what it means, it's a lovely title. __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

09-03-2004, 08:32 AM	#16
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Dark and Winding one, I assume... Congratulations seconded __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

09-03-2004, 09:06 AM	#18
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	According to the Quenya to English wordlists from the Ardalambion site, the singular is possibly: Úlairë or Úlair Congrats to you! ~*~ Pio __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

09-03-2004, 09:11 AM	#19
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,997	I knew that davem of all people would not hold out against our 'canon' rules concerning Personal Titles for long, although I did enjoy his nonconformity for however brief it was. And right, HI a dark and winding one it is. I cannot say which I enjoy more: the thought of davem being an iconoclast, or his new title. It trips lightly and lyrically off the tongue, davem. Nicely done indeed. goes off to delete that post from Bilbo S. Thompson on the news entry in response to Fordim's scrum __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

09-03-2004, 10:54 AM	#20
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Well I guess PEDANT will now have to be disbanded .... a short lived but effective NGO ......... And I thought it might be a second Jarndyce v. Jarndyce and Jarndyce.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-03-2004, 01:24 PM	#21
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	This was the fastest case of pressure from the people accomplishing something since GDR people spent their Monday evenings chanting, "Wir sind das Volk"! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-03-2004, 02:22 PM	#22
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Finally! I had anticipated davem's being a Ghost Prince and expected that as soon as he becomes one, he shall have a personal title. But why so dark a title, I wonder? And about the plural thing, I guess it would be quite appropriate, considering the depth and range of his thought equals that of many ordinary people combined!

09-04-2004, 02:11 AM	#24
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	[QUOTE=Evisse}Yes, I also wondered why so dark a title. But it's very melodic, it's meant to be an assonance, right? You can't change it to Ulair without destroying a bit of that rhythm. [/QUOTE] I know! But now you see what happens when you rush me. It's all very well demanding people to be hasty, but trouble always comes of it __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

09-04-2004, 04:41 AM	#26
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	If H-I can be five wizards, you can be a plurality of Naz. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

09-04-2004, 06:10 AM	#27
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	success! __________________ Scribbling scrabbling.