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07-25-2004, 12:37 PM | #1 | |
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A Lost Cause
In Appendix A, it says
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'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.' |
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07-25-2004, 01:17 PM | #2 |
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Remember that there were settlements and vistings from Numenor to Middle-earth for some time.
Check out this Michael Martinez essay. http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/tolkien/47755 |
07-25-2004, 01:26 PM | #3 |
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True, but not as major as Numenor.
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'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.' |
07-25-2004, 01:48 PM | #4 | |
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Only a remnant of the Faithful could be saved when Elendil and his sons managed to escape Numenor.
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07-25-2004, 06:40 PM | #5 |
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In addition there were many non-numenoreans in Gondor [of whom the oath breakers were an example] who keapt their fealty to the Line of Earendil, as was already mentioned Arnor had previously been settled as was Pelagir. So whilst the Exiled Numenoreans were probably only a few thousands at most, they very quickly became the leaders of the 'proto-Dunedain' and their non numenorean Allies, plus the Elven armies of Lindon, Lorien, Greenwood and Rivendell. I think Moria was in on it as well, so while Elrond paints a picture of massive resisitance, the number of those who escaped the Downfall was only a very small part of the Last Alliance.
Now what I wonder is how they built Minas Anor and Ithil so fast...
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07-25-2004, 07:33 PM | #6 |
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Necessity is the mother of invention. For them to continue thriving as the last of the Numenorean race, they need a place to call their own--and fast.
Didn't the War of the Last Alliance happen a long time (relatively) after the Akallabeth? Because if so, it's understood why the host of Men and Elves was great in number in spite of the fact that those who were saved from the Downfall were but a fraction of it. |
07-26-2004, 01:49 AM | #7 |
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The Tale of the Years mentiones for 3320 SA the Foundation of the Realms in Exile. The attack on Minas Ithil with which the war began took place in 3429 SA.
That gives the numenoreans about 100 Years to build their citys and their comunity. For the city that is time enough, I think but not really for great increas in the population. But it is clear that the forces of the last alliance were much smaller than the army that Ar-Pharazôn had led against Sauron in 3261 SA. Otherwise they would have had a much faster victory. Respectfully Findegil |
07-26-2004, 04:11 AM | #8 |
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Have a look at the Landing of Elendil thread.... seeing as this is about exactly this topic... your questions are answered there!!!!
http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=10868
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07-28-2004, 03:45 PM | #9 |
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ahh, the follies of trusting to old memories.... thanks for the correction Fin..
I agree 100 years could - if the motivation was high, build Minas Anor and Ithil. my faulty memory had them with far less years. good scavenging Osse! |
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