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06-27-2004, 04:18 PM | #1 |
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How to Write a Best Selling Fantasy Novel
A friend at my writing group found this. I think it's hilarious but also pretty dead on as far as some Tolkien inspired fantasy (some would say rip-offs) go. I'm going to also paste it here in case that link ever stops working. Enjoy.
How to write a best selling fantasy novel Every since "The Lord of the Rings", epic fantasy novels have been high on the bestseller list. Every thought of writing one? WELL HERE'S HOW Structure 1. Create a main character Most of the people who read your book will be unconfident males. So make your main character a Loser. Aimless, shy, cowardly, guilty, ill, lazy, rural - any of these will do.2. Create a Quest Out of the blue, the Loser must be suddenly told that the fate of the whole world – or some other world - rests in his incompetent hands. To save the world he must perform some task, confront some nameless foe, learn some mysterious skill etc.3. Create a Motley Bunch of Companions The Loser/Hero must have a Motley Bunch of Companions drawn from different human species e.g. dwarf, elf, Rotarian etc. Each of these companions will have one particular skill such as sword fighting, lasso twirling etc which will come in handy at a particular part of the story.4. Create a Wise but Useless Guide The Guide is wise adviser who knows all about the Quest, but never fully reveals it. He also appears to have immense powers but will not use them when they are most required. 5. Create the Land(See Part 7: "Make it Long.") The first thing the Motley Bunch must do is travel some phenomenal distance through an assortment of vastly different terrains and climates. All Fantasy Lands have every conceivable form of climate and landform - mountains, deserts, swamps, glaciers, forests - arranged randomly across the landscape contrary to any known principles of geography or ecology. Note: All fantasy worlds are roughly square. i.e. the shape of the double page of a paperback. 6. Create the Enemy Every Fantasy Land has a Dark Enemy, an almost omnipotent ArchVillain who is trying to utterly destroy it. It is not clear how the ArchVillain benefits from this. This Villain always has access to vast armies which require no food, payment or other provisioning and can travel thousands of mile and lay siege to cities without any need for a catering corps. For all this, the Enemy is completely dependant on some insignificant object such as a ring or a piece of rock for his power.7. Make it long The important thing about an epic fantasy novel is that the reader must be exhausted at the end of it. They must feel that they have overcome as many obstacles in getting through the book as the heroes have in fulfilling the quest. So the book must be as difficult to read as possible. To do this:At the same time you will need to find ways to: 8. Skip the hard parts Despite the need to keep the book long, some bits are just too hard to write. A thousand mile journey by foot is long, but easy to write. Battles on the other hand are hard because there’s a lot going on and you probably require some knowledge of military strategy. So if you’re writing a battle scene and it’s just getting too hard, simply have the hero suffer a wound and lapse into unconsciousness: e.g.9. Lead up to a cataclysmic battle Although the Enemy’s powers are magical, for some reason he must always try to defeat the good guys with good old fashioned hand to hand combat. No matter how much magic power a wizard, king or queen has, they will always end up charging around a battlefield slashing away with a sword.10. Kill almost everybody The Loser/Hero must achieve his goal, gain the power, discover the secret word or whatever only at the last possible moment when all seems lost. To do this it will be necessary to make him fall down and twist his ankle, have an identity crisis, become enchanted etc continually on his way to the goal. Most of the Motley Bunch must die in terrible pain and degradation before the Loser/Hero gets his act together. This is to keep us mad at the Enemy, thought it is basically the Loser/Hero's fault for being so slow and incompetent.Okay. Now let’s look at some other key points. Bad Expendables It will be necessary to create Bad Expendables. These are the orcs, goblins, trolls, dragons, wights or any other creatures that we are happy to kill in their thousands. They are usually black, hairy, sweaty or in some other way unacceptable by middle class Caucasian standards. Often they are deformed, based on the traditional belief that an ugly body reflects an ugly soul. It is our way of doing a service to the sick and disabled by reminding readers that people who are disfigured look that way because they’re evil.Tough Old Warriors All fantasy novels must have an elite brotherhood of highly trained, pathologically loyal, hereditary fighters. These are invariably sturdy, sullen and have livid scars, one eye missing, only one arm etc. Contrary to reality, the more injuries they bear, the greater their fighting skills.Pure Maiden Warriors Losers are scared of sexuality or dependency in women, so women in fantasy novels are so powerful and pure they make Joan of Arc look like Pamela Anderson. They are strong, noble, loyal, brave, high-bred and usually die in the end – well what else are we going to with them? They’re too scary to marry, and no one in Epic Fantasy Novels ever has sex.Body Types Skinny people are wily and intelligent, big strong bear-like people are invariably dumb.Character Names To make Character Names, just run some nonsense syllables together until it looks like a foreign language. If they are unpronounceable they will be seem even more authentic. "Y"s, "H"s and apostrophes add an exotic feeling. Words like "Dn’a’brht", "ynhazzmhn", "jbreheh’m" are all acceptable.Technology Fantasy Worlds always have inexplicable gaps in their technology. They are ruled by councils of venerable sages who are the guardians of the accumulated learning of thousands of years and yet have never got around to inventing anything that might actually help them against wights, trolls and orcs - such as a .44 Magnum. Many Fantasy Worlds possess fine metal working, word-working and the ability to make crossbows, catapults and elaborate secret trapdoors but have no wheeled transport.Magic When wizards shoot blasts of magic at each other the Good Wizard's fire is always blue, and Bad Wizard' is always green or red.Dwellings There are three sorts of dwellings in fantasy novels – caves, huts and castles.The Enemy's Stronghold The Loser/Hero must eventually penetrate the Enemy's Stronghold. This is never particularly hard to do. Stronghold sentries are never alert and Loser/Heroes can always approach to within 20 feet of the most heavily guarded installation without being detected.Note: the Enemy's fatal flaw will always be that he is over-confident. That's all you need to know
So get writing and start your career as an Epic Fantasy Novelist today!
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06-27-2004, 04:29 PM | #2 |
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lol That's awesome! So, is this thread just for that, or are we suppost to apply that? Very funny!
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06-27-2004, 04:34 PM | #3 |
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Actually, I really didn't think that far ahead....
But I suppose we could expand the list, add some tips.... For instance, they forgot to mention that the Loser/Hero has to have lost his parents to the Evil Villain and/or have no memory of his past.
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Whoops! Many of these I recognized, not only in other works, but in my own! That cannot be good! For example:
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06-28-2004, 07:07 AM | #5 |
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Very funny Diamond. I am now confused because my story breaks a lot of these rules. Is that a good or a bad thing?
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06-28-2004, 07:46 AM | #6 |
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I have another rule:
The Evil Villian will often be related to the Loser/Hero, or else be an unfathomable evil who has no relations at all.
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06-28-2004, 03:14 PM | #7 |
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Ha! I love reading books like this. Here's how you can tell if the book in your hand follows the plot mentioned above.
~It has a picture of the Motley Bunch on the front, the women wearing a ridiculous amount of clothing and the young men (or elves) looking more ripped than justifyingly possible. ~Its got a title that either explains the Quest, or some random, foreboding words thrown together: "Night of Shadows" , "Death's Bane" , "Gems of the (Insert Fictional Country Name Here)" ~The synopsis on the back ends with a question, like "Will Falya defeat the Dark King of Girlock and save her people?" ~One of the critics has stated that the book is "...In the true spirit of Tolkien!"
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06-28-2004, 06:15 PM | #8 |
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Ha! that's great. maybe i should write something following all the rules, and see how it turnes out... nah. it'd take waaaay too long. i'm don't have that much paticence.
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06-28-2004, 07:25 PM | #9 |
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Yes, well, perhaps one could put a certain spin to it, and pass it off as a comedy of sorts. I might give it a shot this summer if I've nothing else to do. Wonderful list, Diamond18. Very funny...and pathetically true, in some cases of "original fiction" I've seen...
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It is truly sad when you can read through this and go, "Oh my gosh, I just read a book exactly like that!", and it said New York Times Best Seller on the front. Do they write books like this just for the people out there who have trouble with reality? Or do they really think that they can write? Thank God for people like Tad Williams. If you haven't read any of his books, then you should. Second only to Tolkien..... truly. Although, it does say "A must read for Tolkien fans"...... Hmmmmmmmm...
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06-28-2004, 10:32 PM | #11 |
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I don't write epic fantasy (I classify my genre as "weird stuff") but I have to admit to a few of those --
Roughly square shaped worlds. Oh, shut up.... I do tend to kill almost everyone. I don't like writing Hard Stuff, like battles, or making it really hard to get into "enemy strongholds" and the like. And the Loser/Hero. All my characters are technically "losers", because I have always tried to let them be as human as possible. So I actually take issue with that "recommendation", since I believe the more messed up they are the better. Ah well. At least my "villains" are really more like tragic heroes to me, so I never fall into the nameless faceless motiveless Dark Lord pit. Now Eomer, admit it, you think that "breaking rules" is a good thing in general.....
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06-28-2004, 10:57 PM | #12 |
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My stories always end up with a bunch of mushy stuff and the female trying to get into the pants of the male who, out of respect for his love for her (and fearing the wrath of her father because he mom's dead) restrains himself and turns her down like an idiot! Okay, so only my current story (already 156 printed pages on 8.5x11" paper, single-spaced in font 10 Times New Roman) has that mush.
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06-29-2004, 07:48 AM | #13 |
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Ah yes, the subject of romance is dramatically sliced up in a lot of the 'new-wave' fantasy books (probably due to the latest generation of writers having different associations of the word 'fantasy')
But trying desperately to keep it clean, wasn't Tolkien's romances (Gorn/Arwen, Faramir/Eowyn) amazingly beautiful and, well, romantic? There has been a quite remarkable criticism of Tolkien's male/female relationships over the years, and I think it is horribly unjustified. If you're begging for - what you call - 'realism', then please go away and read Bridget Jones or some other new-age garbage and you'll realise how utterly horrible it is. Then, when you're crawling back along the harsh, dusty road trying in vain to apologise to Tolkien's legacy, I'll be standing watching you, chuckling manicly and saying "I told you so!" Diamond, a world without rules would be a terrible place, but some rules are mere wannabes, and don't deserve recognition.
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I try to keep the romance stuff in mine fantasy. Bridget Jones and crud like that is just so dumb. I like the good stuff where they respect each other. Tolkien had Arwen and Aragorn stay faithful to each other, despite long seperations and possible temptations. Modern "romance" stories have cheating and are overly sexual to the point of trash and mental porn. What ever happened to the sweetest thing being a tender kiss instead of x-rated content?
Yes, I hear a lot of bashing on Tolkien's romances, like how Eowyn and Aragon should have ended up together. They way he did pair them is beautiful. Arwen brings out the softer side of Aragorn, and Eowyn and Faramir both stike me as the types to be more, um, playful, for lack of better word. Eowyn breaks the rules, Faramir abided by them, hoping for affection. Each pairing is done in such a way that they compliment each other, rather than match the strong Eowyn with the kingly Aragorn. Opposites attract. That's where the romance in my current fic is going wrong-the main two chacters in love are too similar. There are others though, like a set of half-Elven siblings, she in love with an Elf, he in love with a mortal. btw, someone else started out writing with me and got way more into romance, but it works. That should be another fantasy-writing rule: Always keep relationships free from sex and anything you'd expect to see in a grocery store novel. |
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And Eomer, there is plenty of middle ground between Tolkien and Bridget Jones! Fr'heavens sakes. I like to think I write in that middle ground, anyway. While there are sexual relations, it most usually fades to black before anything graphic happens, and much more often than not it's between characters I have pegged as soul mates. I am sort of idealistic that way. Of course, then there are my tragic relationships between people who make a lot mistakes, but then again, as I said I really like having flawed characters. And anyway. There's always Beren and Luthien.
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There is absolutely a middle-ground betwixt Tolkien and Bridget Jones. It's just that that middle-ground is rarely trodden. I think a lot of this stuff would be more at home in mark12_30's 'culture' thread.
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You're right, Diamond. I forgot about that part. 'Twas late.
And please don't tell me you're comparing the Master's work to Bridget Jones!! That is an insult of the utmost. |
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Here's my try at some rules...
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08-23-2006, 10:34 PM | #20 |
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Aw, you thought of this thread? I'd forgotten all about it. And I started it. In fact, when I saw it up at the top here I thought, "That topic sounds vaguely familiar, I wonder who star... oh, I did."
Anyway, that link was hilarious. Thankfully, I was able to answer "no" to almost every question. Almost. This probably just means that I prefer to rip off other forms of writing besides traditional Tolkien rip-off fantasy.
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08-24-2006, 06:25 AM | #21 |
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Haven't laughed so for a long long long time (well, yesterday). Especially those names, if I'll ever have kids, I'll name them "Hnaxmtt'om't", "Nbvklormnp", "Y'iy'yi" or "Dghtrkls"... But this proves that I won't have kids.. .
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That was a good laugh, especially this:
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Now, see, I always get so distracted devising believable economies I never get around to writing the story.
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Good point, Malthus never had a chance to write a good set of fairytales, such as, The Three Little Pigs: A Malthusian Tragedy in Three Parts. Speaking of which, Malthus can help (I presume), to explain why the 'dark overlord/lady/it' always fails in the end. It isn't because they're simply over confident, they just do not watch out for a Malthusian Catastrophe... Quote:
Unfortunately, due to the Loser/Hero's kafkaesque ability to call on a challenge to the 'evil being', they have caused the perfect tip for the imbalance of population consumption vs. worker output, and the 'evil being' in a mad dash is forced to let their economic imbalance proceed. In an ill fate invest their slowly crumbling product quantity, they have to resource to insignificant objects and uncomplicative methods of bartering and smoke screens. It is not that the 'evil being' has expendible workers entirely, it is just that enough of them are in the unemployment line and they have to take care of them somehow, unfortunately in rather undesirable uptakings, all thanks to the Loser/Hero's inscurity and easy ability to be goaded by other's to break a not too shabby economy. Okay, enough of my rant. It is boring me, and most likely everyone else. ~ Ka
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Very amusing, Oddwen. I especially like:
Does your story involve a number of different races, each of which has exactly one country, one ruler and one religion?
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08-25-2006, 07:11 AM | #26 |
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To one question in Oddwen's link I for sure answer "no"! That is question 75...
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09-16-2006, 05:37 AM | #27 |
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Nice Thread...i'm writing a fantasy-novel... maybe ill post some chapters if you guys are interested...
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09-16-2006, 06:21 AM | #28 |
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Definitely!
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Ah, excelent fun and entretainment, both the original "rules" and the "quiz". I think it could be a fun idea to try a RPG that will follow the rules and answer "no" to all (or most) things on the quiz... although it would probably prove to be much harder than what it seems, given that you can't make it so bad that it won't even be funny. Hmmmm must thinks about this, my precioussss.
Hey! They forgot one kind of character: "Evil creature that aids the protagonist out of fear/a personal evil plan/pretty much any feeling other than good will, who in the end starts to become "redeemed" and "good" and yet falls to temptation, abandons the path of redemption and dies tragically, killed by either the protagonist or a cruel twist of fate"
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I liked numbers 58 & 71.
A couple other things I found wanting in the lists: The young boy character has no living mother. He may, however, have a grandmother or spinster aunt who is skilled in arcane arts. Matters of the Birds & Bees will be treated delicately or passed off altogether in the first book, but by the third, anything goes. A plague must wipe out much of the royal/badguy family either at the time of the story, or in the near past. The main character must discover a skill in magic early on. The Wise but Useless Guide must always be impressed by the skill level shown from the first, and compare him to famous magicians at the peak of their own skill. Each person's magic must have their own color. (I hate this!) They may or may have not have eyes or a weapon to match. And there are a few things in the Evil Overlord List that might be applicable here as well.
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11-30-2006, 03:50 PM | #31 |
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The main protagonist should have to go to a primitive people because of some
A. An incureable disease B. His/her wizard mentor told them to C. His/her girl/boyfriend told them to D: It was on the way to defeat the big bad dark lord/lady Said protagonist must incur help from said primitive people, but the help they are willing to offer is never good enough, so Protagonistagon must forcibly bring the primitive people into some form of modernity, just because he/she feels it's best. Any tactic will be used, from threatening the natives with his scorn ("Oh no! Not that!"), to threatening that they will be overcome by the dark lord/lady if they do not do exactly what he says, to killing the people in charge and placing his girlfriend in charge. Even Tolkien did this, to some degree, though it was needed. Namely, Gandalf casting Wormtongue out. Oh yes, and The Wizard Guide has to die or go on some secret quest of his own, leaving the main character helpless at the climax of the book.
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02-07-2007, 09:21 AM | #32 |
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We're going to write one with Oddwen pretty soon. Right?
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02-07-2007, 10:21 AM | #33 |
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BWHAHAHA! I had forgotten about these lists. They will be a very valuable guidebook, methinks.
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I have two.
All enemy villains must be afraid of sunlight/wizard character/girls. They must also betray themselves for no reason. The main Dark Lord enemy is constantly feared and is said to be powerful, when all throughout the book he doesn't do anything other than meet defeat countless times. Despite this, he is supposedly better than his generals who destroy countries and require tons of divine intervention and enigmas to defeat.
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