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Lord Syslox of Emyn Beverli · 01-20-2002, 05:14 AM

If Aman was removed from the circles of Arda. how is it the Elves are still able to sail to it?

The Mirrorball Man · 01-20-2002, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by Lord Syslox of Emyn Beverli:
<STRONG>If Aman was removed from the circles of Arda. how is it the Elves are still able to sail to it?</STRONG>

They take the Straight Road where their ships leave the Bent World and just float in the air "as if they were on a mighty bridge invisible".

Carannillion · 01-20-2002, 11:26 AM

And of course, the Valar will decide who are allowed to sail on this "bridge". In general, only Elves are allowed to come to Aman, but Eärendil, the Númenorean invasion and our friends from the Felloship were allowed entry (actually, the Númenorean invasion may have been able to force an entry, but I'm not sure).

The Mirrorball Man · 01-20-2002, 12:16 PM

The Númenorean invasion took place before the bending of the ways, since it's precisely because of the downfall of Numenor that the Valar decided to remove Aman from the world.

Carannillion · 01-20-2002, 03:17 PM

Yes, but even before that event, Aman was denied from anyone whom the Valar did not want to have there (anyone not elvish).

Wasn't Eärendil's journey also before the downfall of Númenor (don't have the Sil here, so I'm unable to check it myself...)?

Elrian · 01-21-2002, 06:27 AM

Earendil's journey to Aman was in the First Age, Earendil was aided by the Silmaril he bore. The downfall of Numenor was in the Second Age.

Lord Syslox of Emyn Beverli · 01-22-2002, 11:28 PM

Is that "mighty bridge invisible" a quote?
If so, from what book (I dont recall it from the Sil).

Also: do they travel this brigde by the power of Eru, the power of the Valar, or their elves' own power?

I think I should re-read the Silmarillion more thoroughly.

The Mirrorball Man · 01-23-2002, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by Lord Syslox of Emyn Beverli:
Is that "mighty bridge invisible" a quote?

Well, I did use quotation marks, didn't I? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

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If so, from what book (I dont recall it from the Sil).

It's in Akallabêth.

Lindolirian · 01-23-2002, 03:54 PM

In "The Atlas of Middle Earth" by Karen Wynn Fonstad, there is a good depiction of what the Staight Way to Aman might look like. It cleared up alot on that for me.

01-20-2002, 05:14 AM	#1
Lord Syslox of Emyn Beverli Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tol Hardor Posts: 15	Aman If Aman was removed from the circles of Arda. how is it the Elves are still able to sail to it? __________________ "Do not scorn pity that is the gift of a gentle heart" - Faramir to Eowyn. "A warrior should have more skills and knowlegde than only the craft of weapons and slaying" - Faramir

01-20-2002, 11:26 AM	#3
Carannillion Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mici Firya Posts: 135	And of course, the Valar will decide who are allowed to sail on this "bridge". In general, only Elves are allowed to come to Aman, but Eärendil, the Númenorean invasion and our friends from the Felloship were allowed entry (actually, the Númenorean invasion may have been able to force an entry, but I'm not sure). __________________ A cry for the people, but there's noone there to hear...

01-20-2002, 12:16 PM	#4
The Mirrorball Man Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 57	The Númenorean invasion took place before the bending of the ways, since it's precisely because of the downfall of Numenor that the Valar decided to remove Aman from the world. __________________ "It was only a glimpse then, but you might have caught the glimpse, if you had ever thought it worthwhile to try."

01-20-2002, 03:17 PM	#5
Carannillion Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mici Firya Posts: 135	Yes, but even before that event, Aman was denied from anyone whom the Valar did not want to have there (anyone not elvish). Wasn't Eärendil's journey also before the downfall of Númenor (don't have the Sil here, so I'm unable to check it myself...)? __________________ A cry for the people, but there's noone there to hear...

01-21-2002, 06:27 AM	#6
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	Earendil's journey to Aman was in the First Age, Earendil was aided by the Silmaril he bore. The downfall of Numenor was in the Second Age. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

01-22-2002, 11:28 PM	#7
Lord Syslox of Emyn Beverli Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tol Hardor Posts: 15	Is that "mighty bridge invisible" a quote? If so, from what book (I dont recall it from the Sil). Also: do they travel this brigde by the power of Eru, the power of the Valar, or their elves' own power? I think I should re-read the Silmarillion more thoroughly. __________________ "Do not scorn pity that is the gift of a gentle heart" - Faramir to Eowyn. "A warrior should have more skills and knowlegde than only the craft of weapons and slaying" - Faramir

01-23-2002, 03:54 PM	#9
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	In "The Atlas of Middle Earth" by Karen Wynn Fonstad, there is a good depiction of what the Staight Way to Aman might look like. It cleared up alot on that for me. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."