Eowyn at the Black Gate? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

kharank · 10-01-2003, 02:07 PM

In the new ROTK trailer, we hear Aragorn giving a rousing speech to some troops. Now, it could just be clever editing for the trailer, but it seems that Eowyn is listening to this speech, and Merry is with her. However, a later shot shows Aragorn before the Black Gate!I was just wondering if anyone knows how the screenplay for ROTK would deal with the Witch King/Eowyn/Merry sequence - does it happen before the Black Gate? There was also the brief shot in the DVD preview of Pippin holding a wounded Merry. They do not meet on the Pelennor in the book, so maybe PJ has fiddled with the ordering? What do people think?

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-01-2003, 02:15 PM

Um, it's just the editing. That's what trailers do. They mix up different sections of the film to heighten the tension and excitement. So don't get hung up on the order that events appear in the trailer.I cannot imagine that Eowyn and Merry meet the Witch King anywhere else but on the Pelennor. And it seems that Pippin does meet Merry on the battlefield, presumably in the aftermath of the battle. But that would only be a small change from the Book, where Pippin finds Merry stumbling through Minas Tirith just after the battle.

Faramir Fan · 10-01-2003, 04:09 PM

Also I heard that the Houses of Healing stuff was filmed, but most of it was cut out.

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 10-01-2003, 05:58 PM

Well, there is a picture making the rounds on the internet of Aragorn and Eowyn in the Houses of Healing, so I would assume that we get at least a short scene there. Like Saucepan Man said, I think it's just editing, not actually Eowyn and Merry before the Black Gate.

HCIsland · 10-01-2003, 06:29 PM

I assume you are talking about this one.<A HREF="http://www.warofthering.net/photos/rotkaragorn/imagepages/image10.shtml" TARGET=_blank>Eowyn and Aragorn</A>Sorry, but that shot has been definately identified as being at Edoras. Look at the pillar in the background. They're the same as the ones in Meduseld.H.C.[ October 01, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 11-02-2003, 06:16 PM

I think you accidentally linked to the wrong picture, HC. It's <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6701?q=Houses+of+Healing" TARGET=_blank>this</A> one. But I think you might be right... why didn't I notice that? It did look a little un-Houses of Healing to me, but I figured it had to be....

Lily Bracegirdle · 11-02-2003, 07:48 PM

Don't worry, Faramir Fan! Miranda Otto said the scenes were filmed, so there's always hope they'll be included on the RotK Extended Edition DVD! At least, that's what I'm hoping for! Edit: Whoops! On topic, I agree with the others: Merry and Eowyn will kill the Witch King on the Pelennor, after which Pippin will find Merry.-Lily[ November 02, 2003: Message edited by: Lily Bracegirdle ]

Alatáriël Lossëhelin · 11-02-2003, 10:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Also I heard that the Houses of Healing stuff was filmed, but most of it was cut out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Sorry, but that shot has been definately identified as being at Edoras. Look at the pillar in the background. They're the same as the ones in Meduseld.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>They may still have something from the Houses of Healing in the film. There was a pic on OneRing showing Aragorn healing Faramir. It has since been removed, but you can still see it <A HREF="http://www.warofthering.net/photos/rotkaragorn/imagepages/image5.shtml" TARGET=_blank>here</A>. You can clearly see Aragorn's left hand clasping one of Faramir's hands, and his right hand almost touching Faramir's forehead. Fabulous image![ November 02, 2003: Message edited by: Alatáriël ]

HCIsland · 11-03-2003, 11:27 AM

Absolutely!I was very excited seeing the Aragorn/Faramir shot a bit ago, but one has to remember that this is no guarantee that it is in the film. Recall that the shots of Frodo and Sam watching the elves moving through the Shire was repeatedly put in trailers for Fellowship, yet was not used until the EE.H.C.

10-01-2003, 02:07 PM	#1
kharank Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 31	Eowyn at the Black Gate? In the new ROTK trailer, we hear Aragorn giving a rousing speech to some troops. Now, it could just be clever editing for the trailer, but it seems that Eowyn is listening to this speech, and Merry is with her. However, a later shot shows Aragorn before the Black Gate!<P>I was just wondering if anyone knows how the screenplay for ROTK would deal with the Witch King/Eowyn/Merry sequence - does it happen before the Black Gate? There was also the brief shot in the DVD preview of Pippin holding a wounded Merry. They do not meet on the Pelennor in the book, so maybe PJ has fiddled with the ordering? What do people think? __________________ High Lord Kharank has spoken

10-01-2003, 02:15 PM	#2
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Um, it's just the editing. That's what trailers do. They mix up different sections of the film to heighten the tension and excitement. So don't get hung up on the order that events appear in the trailer.<P>I cannot imagine that Eowyn and Merry meet the Witch King anywhere else but on the Pelennor. <P>And it seems that Pippin does meet Merry on the battlefield, presumably in the aftermath of the battle. But that would only be a small change from the Book, where Pippin finds Merry stumbling through Minas Tirith just after the battle. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-01-2003, 04:09 PM	#3
Faramir Fan Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 72	Also I heard that the Houses of Healing stuff was filmed, but most of it was cut out.<BR> __________________ "A new character has come on the scene (I am sure I did not invent him, I did not even want him, though I like him, but there he came walking into the woods of Ithilien): Faramir, the brother of Boromir..." J.R.R. Tolkien, Letters No. 66

10-01-2003, 05:58 PM	#4
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Well, there is a picture making the rounds on the internet of Aragorn and Eowyn in the Houses of Healing, so I would assume that we get at least a short scene there. Like Saucepan Man said, I think it's just editing, not actually Eowyn and Merry before the Black Gate. __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

10-01-2003, 06:29 PM	#5
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I assume you are talking about this one.<P><A HREF="http://www.warofthering.net/photos/rotkaragorn/imagepages/image10.shtml" TARGET=_blank>Eowyn and Aragorn</A><P>Sorry, but that shot has been definately identified as being at Edoras. Look at the pillar in the background. They're the same as the ones in Meduseld.<P>H.C.<p>[ October 01, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ] __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

11-02-2003, 06:16 PM	#6
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	I think you accidentally linked to the wrong picture, HC. It's <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6701?q=Houses+of+Healing" TARGET=_blank>this</A> one. But I think you might be right... why didn't I notice that? It did look a little un-Houses of Healing to me, but I figured it had to be.... __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

11-02-2003, 07:48 PM	#7
Lily Bracegirdle Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bree Posts: 210	Don't worry, Faramir Fan! Miranda Otto said the scenes were filmed, so there's always hope they'll be included on the RotK Extended Edition DVD! At least, that's what I'm hoping for! <P>Edit: Whoops! On topic, I agree with the others: Merry and Eowyn will kill the Witch King on the Pelennor, after which Pippin will find Merry.<P>-Lily<p>[ November 02, 2003: Message edited by: Lily Bracegirdle ] __________________ "But nay: the praise of the praiseworthy is above all rewards." - Faramir

11-02-2003, 10:15 PM	#8
Alatáriël Lossëhelin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Road to Rivendell: 2491 miles from Hobbiton, with Frodo and Sam, homeward bound Posts: 365	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Also I heard that the Houses of Healing stuff was filmed, but most of it was cut out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Sorry, but that shot has been definately identified as being at Edoras. Look at the pillar in the background. They're the same as the ones in Meduseld.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>They may still have something from the Houses of Healing in the film. There was a pic on OneRing showing Aragorn healing Faramir. It has since been removed, but<BR>you can still see it <A HREF="http://www.warofthering.net/photos/rotkaragorn/imagepages/image5.shtml" TARGET=_blank>here</A>. You can clearly see Aragorn's left hand clasping one of Faramir's hands, and his right hand almost touching Faramir's forehead. Fabulous image!<p>[ November 02, 2003: Message edited by: Alatáriël ] __________________ "It's impossible to have Frodo without Sam, or Sam without Frodo. They're like two halves of one heart..." "If your hurts grieve you still and the memory of your burden is heavy, then you may pass into the West..."

11-03-2003, 11:27 AM	#9
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	Absolutely!<P>I was very excited seeing the Aragorn/Faramir shot a bit ago, but one has to remember that this is no guarantee that it is in the film. Recall that the shots of Frodo and Sam watching the elves moving through the Shire was repeatedly put in trailers for Fellowship, yet was not used until the EE.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor