TTT: Arwen's future and Lorien - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Iarhen · 09-19-2003, 12:49 PM

In TTT, when Elrond is telling Arwen her future as Aragorn's wife, he says to her that she will "dwell under the fading trees"...And in the image, you see Arwen walking under some kind of burnt and windy forest... The trees look burned and laid to waste...Is it Lothlórien? What happened? Because I dont think it would look like THAT just after Galadriel left... She had a major part in keeping the forest's beauty but it would not deteriorate so quickly without the Lady...Is Elrond insinuating that Lorien will be burned?

HCIsland · 09-19-2003, 01:41 PM

I gotta be honest, it didn't looked burned to me. More like a forest that was setting in for winter, which to me is the right mood for the situation.But I'ld have to watch it again.H.C.

Silmiel of Imladris · 09-19-2003, 10:37 PM

I noticed this too. It may be that the forest falls to ruin without Nenya keeping the change of time at bay.

Daisy Brambleburr · 09-20-2003, 08:41 AM

To me they looked like the woods in winter. But this is many years after Galadriel left (50? 100? anyone know exactly?) so it would have had some time to deteriorate without Nenya preserving it. I don't think it looked burned either. Just dark and gloomy really.

Lhunardawen · 09-20-2003, 08:51 AM

It didn't seemed burned to me, it just looked like the trees lost their leaves and flowers and everything else that made them beautiful once......Before Galadriel left for Valinor. Remember that Galadriel used Nenya to beautify Lorien (or so I think). It would be there that Arwen would finally lay down her life and die as a mortal, after Aragorn's death.

Elladan and Elrohir · 09-20-2003, 04:23 PM

In the book, Arwen died in Lorien 118 years after Galadriel left for Valinor.

The Only Real Estel · 09-20-2003, 08:48 PM

Real quickly, I thought I read somewhere in the books that Arwen eventually, 'gave up her gift' of immortality, & so died. That's what I though I had read, but then when I watched TTT & Elrond told her she wouldn't be able to leave Middle Earth until...forever basically. Am I not remembering the books correctly? Or did PJ just change it around a bit? Sorry if this was a bit of the original topic...

09-19-2003, 12:49 PM	#1
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	TTT: Arwen's future and Lorien In TTT, when Elrond is telling Arwen her future as Aragorn's wife, he says to her that she will "dwell under the fading trees"...<P>And in the image, you see Arwen walking under some kind of burnt and windy forest... The trees look burned and laid to waste...<P>Is it Lothlórien? What happened? Because I dont think it would look like THAT just after Galadriel left... She had a major part in keeping the forest's beauty but it would not deteriorate so quickly without the Lady...<P>Is Elrond insinuating that Lorien will be burned? __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

09-19-2003, 01:41 PM	#2
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I gotta be honest, it didn't looked burned to me. More like a forest that was setting in for winter, which to me is the right mood for the situation.<P>But I'ld have to watch it again.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

09-19-2003, 10:37 PM	#3
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	I noticed this too. It may be that the forest falls to ruin without Nenya keeping the change of time at bay. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

09-20-2003, 08:41 AM	#4
Daisy Brambleburr Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 334	To me they looked like the woods in winter. But this is many years after Galadriel left (50? 100? anyone know exactly?) so it would have had some time to deteriorate without Nenya preserving it. I don't think it looked burned either. Just dark and gloomy really. __________________ 'What news from the South, O sighing wind, do you bring to me at eve? Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve.'

09-20-2003, 08:51 AM	#5
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	It didn't seemed burned to me, it just looked like the trees lost their leaves and flowers and everything else that made them beautiful once...<P>...Before Galadriel left for Valinor. Remember that Galadriel used Nenya to beautify Lorien (or so I think). It would be there that Arwen would finally lay down her life and die as a mortal, after Aragorn's death.

09-20-2003, 04:23 PM	#6
Elladan and Elrohir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 332	In the book, Arwen died in Lorien 118 years after Galadriel left for Valinor. __________________ "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." THE HOBBIT - IT'S COMING

09-20-2003, 08:48 PM	#7
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Real quickly, I thought I read somewhere in the books that Arwen eventually, 'gave up her gift' of immortality, & so died. That's what I though I had read, but then when I watched TTT & Elrond told her she wouldn't be able to leave Middle Earth until...forever basically. Am I not remembering the books correctly? Or did PJ just change it around a bit? Sorry if this was a bit of the original topic...