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WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)
The helicopter swooped in low as it approached the mountaintop, the setting sun hidden behind jagged peaks. As the aircraft reached the metal dome and hovered, the dome split in two, the sides sliding downward with the whine of hydraulics. The pilot brought the vehicle slowly down, until it touched down on a small pad jutting from the side of the dome. As the 12 persons exited the craft, they noticed what appeared to be a large satellite-type dish a bit lower in the dome. As soon as all were off the helicopter, it took off. Unexpectedly, the platform on which the group were standing began to lower itself at a rapid pace. The halves of the dome simultaneously whined toward one another to close the opening. As the platform reached the floor, the bemused group could not help reflecting on how they'd come to be in such a strange situation.
Many months before, members of the Barrow Downs Tolkien forum had received unexpected Private Messages from a new Forum Member, hatethemovies123. "Tolkien book-fans wanted for an important project! Great reward and lasting renown await! E-mail pjisanorc@graggle.com." And they had done so, for one reason or another. Now, as the floor of the facility drew level with them, their odd, lab-coated host stood waiting. THE GAME HAS NOT STARTED YET
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'Greetings to you all!", he said. I am Professor Inzil, and I am the one who invited you here.
The group looked around to see various computer consoles, tables littered with electronic components, and two telephone booth-sized chrome-plated cylinders at opposite sides of the room, each with its own computer console. A label on one read "RADAGAST", and the second, "WINGÉD BALROG". A shelf on the wall held many vials filled with liquids of varying colors and viscosities. One, set apart, had a large red "X" on its label, though what that label said could not be made out. 'Well, let me give you the score', he began. 'First, I have asked you here to assist me with something. I am planning to use the dish up there,' he pointed, 'to end any possible success or indeed, any memory of the horrible movies of J.R.R. Tolkien's works that have been foisted on us all by greedy, blackhearted persons.' He paused for a moment, studying the faces before him. 'The plan is to fire a beam into space that will then utilize the satellites circling the globe to transmit the beam back to the surface. The beam should have the effects of permanently removing from memory that fact that any Tolkien-related movies exist, and will simultaneously stimulate the cerebral cortex of the brain to cause the subject to utterly abhor the very idea of any movies connected with Tolkien in the future.' Confusion, disbelief, and amusement seemed to be at war in the group. 'Wait a second,' said Shasta. 'Wasn't there something about a "great reward"'? 'Ah, well, I don't exactly have a lot of money,' replied the Professor. 'But the service you'll be rendering to mankind is beyond price!' 'How'd you get the money to do all this'?, asked Kitanna. 'Various means,' he said. 'For one thing, I've been helping a large and well-known company test safer food additives. That's some of them on the shelf over there. It was actually a failure of one of those that led to the idea behind this project.' 'What about those two things?' asked Lommy, pointing at the metal cylinders. 'Other projects', the Professor said. 'BALROG is a prototype teleporter, but there have been some snags with it. And I get sidetracked...ADHD is a terrible thing. Anyway, this process should take a few days. I will tell you that we are totally isolated here. There is no cell phone service, nor any communication with the outside. The helicopter on which you arrived will return at a set time to bring supplies. There are plenty of sleeping bags for you to bed down with, and more than enough food to see us through.' Suddenly, a loud "BAAAA" was heard from behind a windowed door at the side. 'What's that?', cried Sally. 'Oh, goats!' replied the professor. I like goat's milk. And there are some chickens out there too. Eggs are nature's most complete source of protein!' 'So,' he ended. 'There it is. Get yourselves settled, and we'll look to starting tomorrow'. As the group slowly wandered away, they failed to see one of their number casually pocket the vial with the red "X" from its place on the shelf. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Three members of the group walked together, unseen by the others. 'I think this is insane,' one groused. 'I like the movies!' 'Yeah!' said another. 'Viggo Mortensen was awesome! And the CGI Smaug in The Hobbit is just sick!' 'Well,' said the third, 'we don't have to participate. In fact, we could try to derail this!" 'Of course we could!' muttered the first. 'All we need to do is get rid of Professor Nutso, then the rest will be no problem.' As the three walked, their minds were already pondering the issue. IT IS NOW NIGHT 1. Dreamer may dream, Baddies may PM. The "Living" Nerwen Sally Coppermirror Loslote Kitanna Lommy Legate Nogrod Shasta Greenie Kath Boro
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Professor Inzil was up late. Dogged by a mixture of anticipation and anxiety, sleep was out of the question. He was looking through his notes, scouring them for signs of any unforeseen problems. As was his habit, he walked aimlessly about as he read. Absorbed, he failed to notice the soft footsteps behind him. Before he could shout, rough hands shoved him into the opening in the BALROG.
'Now Professor,' said a soft voice. 'You've been working too hard. Take a vacation.' 'Don't worry, said another voice. You're going to the best place we can think of.' 'Actually, it's the worst,' chuckled a third, who typed something on BALROG's keypad, then hurriedly pressed a red button marked "send". With a crackling noise and a shower of sparks from the console, a yellow light engulfed the cylinder. The Professor's notebook remained on the floor outside, dropped and, for the moment, forgotten. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In the morning, the BALROG was discovered, partly burned and smoking. Looking into it, the concerned group saw a white lab coat, also partially burned. Of its owner there was no sign. The attached console was sputtering, but a display intermittently blinked the word "Cleveland". 'Wow,' said Legate. 'This was the teleporter, right?' 'Yep,' said Coppermirror. 'But didn't he say there had been some problems with it? He surely wouldn't have done this on his own.' Just then Kath spied the notebook on the floor. 'Hm,' she said. She looked through it for a minute. 'It looks like there are sections where there are notes on the various things he was working on. Under Balrog, one page has a "3" that kind of scrawls down the page.' She showed it to the others. 'What's that mean?' asked Nogrod. 'Was he trying to say three people were involved, or what?' 'And what's the deal with this machine anyway?' said Greenie. 'Is he dead or is he in Cleveland?' 'What's the difference?' said Boro. Mumbled agreement came from everyone. Now they must decide what to do to confront the menace in their midst. IT IS NOW DAY 1 The "Living" Nerwen Sally Coppermirror Loslote Kitanna Lommy Legate Nogrod Shasta Greenie Kath Boro The "Dead" Professor Inzil
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If he's alive, I wonder which Cleveland Professor Inzil's gone to? Looking at it on Wikipedia, there are a whole bunch of places with that name. Come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure where we are right now either, other than that it has mountains. I must have slept through that part of the flight.
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If he's actually in Cleveland he's as good as dead anyway. Since, I hail from the area I'm completely justified in poking fun at the smelly armpit of a city. If anyone else tries to disparage the place they'll be thrown into the Cuyahoga River (at least it's a little cleaner now, which means it's not as easy to catch on fire).
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Cleveland? Goodness gracious. We may never find our poor professor.
Then again, at least it's not Springfield. Which Springfield, you ask? Exactly.
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I'm not entirely certain what I should be doing in this situation. To be honest, I never expected to make it this far - I consider having survived Night One to be a triumph, and I would like to thank everyone who ever voted for me for this success. Thank you, thank you!
Of course, my gracious speech would probably have had a greater impact were it not delivered in a sealed-off mountain with no hope of escape, but you work with what you've got, I suppose. Speaking of, I've got a great idea for solving this little mystery in no time. Who here actually liked the movies? Please raise your hand - I'm sorry to say, I'm afraid you might be one of the murderers! A nasty shock, I'm sure, but better to face these things head-on than live in denial, don't you know. You're welcome, everyone, case closed!
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Such a terrible, terrible thing to happen to the poor Professor- regardless of whether his fate was death or one of the world's large assortment of Clevelands.
Now, we all know what moviephiles are like. We've seen them camped outside the box office for hours... days... before "their" film premieres, just so they can be the first to see it. Could a moviephile resist jumping in to post on this thread the moment it opens? Basic moviephile psychology says "no". Therefore I say we should be paying *very* close attention to Coppermirror, Boro and Sally.
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Well, well, well. I hope Professor Inzil will be all right, I mean, at least the BALROG cannot transfer people through alternate universes. Imagine if he ended up in movie version of Middle-Earth...
Anyway, for the time being then we have to take matters into our own hands. Goat milk, anyone? As for otherwise... I guess I do not need to prove my hatred for the movies... I could quote one of my speeches from times ago, but then I think it would make my rambling here even longer than usual, and I am afraid in the presence of such advanced scientific devices, it might accidentally trigger some unprecedented effect. Such as making forum posts longer than one forum page.
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Okay, first things first.
I AM PLAYING WEREWOLF AIEEEEE OUAGHAKDDDO GICT XGNYCCBNX IT'S BEEN TOO LONG KPOHOGSUIYDTYRSYDJDYJXKNCHCMNGCZY CJGHC JBJKVB<DBNA. ![]() Okay, now that I got it off my chest, I'm off to business. What business, you may ask, as there's been nothing but banter and Nerwen jokingly reviving the tradition of suspecting those who post first. So let me make a couple of predictions about how the Day1 will proceed after this utterly typical beginning: Nerwen will miss the vote. Kath will miss the entire Day. Legate will get into posting novel-length stuff by the deadline. Loslote (or Kitanna) will be lynched. Nogrod will be uncharacteristically quiet (okay, you can't really credit me with being a psychic if I get this right, I happen to know he has a busy day in RL). Speaking of psychics, Shasta will use half of his posts for praising Nerwen (and vice versa, but he always seems to be the one to start). Any additions to my little list? ![]() Oh, and better say it earlier than later: the deadline is 5am Finnish time, so you're probably not going to see much of me, Legate or Greenie around the DL time (not speaking for Nogrod because that man is crazy).
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What about the maniac? Are we talking movie-maniac? Professor-maniac? Or just a straight up maniac?
I interpret the role as a wild card with no allegiance...if so, then the maniac only helps us as an unknown, because the wolves aren't going to kill a revealed maniac. But as an unknown, there's still a danger we lynch the maniac. And it sets up the possibility of wolves trying to fake maniacal tendencies, knowing we won't want to lynch the maniac.
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Nerwen's link on the Cuyahoga is brokey. But no joke Copper...it's been on fire, multiple times:
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Can Inzil clarify if the maniac wins with the village or on his own (I assume not with the moviephiles, for heaven's sake) or if this is classified information?
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Yeah, I also understood it as "I am the Hunter, but I will take my revenge on you whoever you are if you lynch me during the Day." Or rather, there had been many versions of Hunter who operated like this, technically the only difference here being that the Maniac does not choose anybody to "hunt". And note that the Day lynch still means the Maniac can take down a Wolf, if a Wolf is among those who voted him/her, but of course you have the element of randomness there. (Pointing this out since my initial "brain-shortcut" equation was "kills Wolf during night, kills innocents during Day", which is not entirely true, although of course still preferable not to lynch at all. So in that respect, it really IS similar to the Hunter. And since there was no mention of any special rules, I simply assume the Maniac is innocent.)
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The Maniac is like a Hunter in that they are in with the village. Basically an Ordo with an added quantity of unpredictability surrounding their death.
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Thank you, Disembodied Voice.
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Lots of talk about the Maniac. But it looks like the role is a wildcard innocent. A chaotic good perhaps? Or maybe chaotic evil if the Maniac chose to align with the wolves. (Oh my, I wish my friend had never taught me how to play D&D. It's infiltrating my life.) On an unrelated topic can we throw my neighbors to the moviephiles. 'Cause the bass on their sound system is shaking my desk. :/
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Apologies for not noting this sooner, but votes should be like this: ++Inzil. That's for ease of counting.
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Is it just me, or does Kitanna know too much about various Clevelands? Quite suspicious indeed.
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Lommy ... nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Prediction = wrong.
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Okay. Finally here. It's been a couple of really crazy days - and what Lommy said earlier rings a truth: I'm not going to be very active toDay (too tired of trying to get a real grasp - if there is anything to grasp with this number of posts anyway) - and the DL really is 5AM so all the Finns will most probably vote earlyish this time around.
The only things that kind of give off a slight ping on the radar thus far are: 1. Nerwen's early gun-happiness - which could be just a way of trying to get the ball rolling and therefore laudable. 2. How Boro's important point was totally lost under a more or less odd discussion of whether the maniac is playing for the goodies or baddies... where the former, I think, was the obvious answer - and seems to be it. But what Boro said merits repeating: as we don't want to lynch the maniac (the danger for us is in lynching her/him) but want her/him killed by the wolves by Night (to take one of them with her/him for sure) - the wolves might like to impersonate the maniac trying to avoid lynching that way. So let's be extra careful with that. Other than those things, I feel I have little to say right now. But I'll sit back and relax and try to come with something / anything more constructive in a moment - even if it doesn't seem too probable with this little to draw conclusions or speculate upon.
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Almost did a Kath but didn't, thanks to Lommy for reminding me we had started! Anyway, I'm super tired so I will unfortunately have to be quite brief toDay, but should be around more toMorrow if I make it that far.
Right-o. As far as I can tell - Nerwen discusses both Clevelands and Maniacs. Also mentions the "rule of three", which I suppose somebody has to do in every game. Sally also mostly banters this far, and calls Inzil's rules clarification "informative, yet strangely unsettling". Something there? Coppermirror remains on the Cleveland sector for now. Loslote, while not discussing Cleveland, has only posted one early banter post toDay, I assume she'll be back. Kitanna confuses me because I got the impression that she posted a lot of substance even though she mainly answered banterish posts and commented shortly on the Maniac. Lommy adequately summarised an average Day 1 and puts in a healthy Lommy amount of AIEEEs and exclamation marks. But she's also the one to ask Inzil for clarification about the Maniac. Legate has not posted a single novel yet! Instead, one banter about goats and technology and some other confusing stuff, and one post speculating about the Maniac. I don't really understand his "brain-shortcut" (though love that word!!) but it's probably not very relevant since it's related to speculation on a topic that was later clarified by the mod. Nogrod hasn't posted yet but he's sitting across the table from me and typing forcefully so I bet his post will appear before mine. Shasta isn't here either, I hope he knows the game is on! Greenie is happy to be playing werewolf! Kath is cute. She's also sensible about the Maniac. Boro gets the credit for the first fully on-topic post on the thread, ie. rules speculation on the Maniac. His original interpretation is rather different from mine, and apparently that of many others as well. Could be he's just an independent thinker (we know he is), could be he's scheming, could be he was trying to provoke discussion? Anyhow I'm not worried about him at the moment. EDIT: x-ed with Noggie
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Glad to see the discussion (slowly) starting. It's also getting late here, but at least almost everybody has posted something already. I'm not sure what to make of Boro's and Nogrod's underlined worry about wolves posing as the maniac. How do you do that except by fake revealing anyway? (And I see that as possibly being more beneficial to the villagers in the long run - ACTUALLY WAIT Wouldn't it make the most sense for the maniac to reveal RIGHT NOW? Ta da, we have a known innocent. Or, if a wolf rises to the bait and fake reveals, the worst thing that can happen is that toDay we lynch two innocents and toMorrow we lynch a wolf, which is still a good scenario for us. What say you?* (* given the nature of the game, I should probably apologise for quoting movie!Aragorn) edit: xed with Greenie's later post
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There isn't really much to go on with, indeed, I will just observe on the observations, then. I guess it would be interesting, in the light of any future events, to see the interactions or how people perceive others here.
I like Nogrod's pointing out of the thing Boro said about the Maniac (that WWs might be impresonating him/her), but then again since the Mod has confirmed how the role works, it's essentially the same thing as impersonating any Gifted in any normal game. But of course, it's probably the best way for a Wolf to avoid lynch. Unless they also want to flush out a Seer and pretend that they are the Seer instead. I guess that might bring some interesting dilemmas to the Wolves who are under threat of lynching and consider reveal, which might play nicely to the village's hand. I also like Greenie's summary of people, but rather for its amusement value. The only thing I find remarkable is her "buddying-up" attitude towards Boro and (very, very slightly) Kath. But I guess that would be just more interesting in hindsight if the situation seemed like it was relevant (e.g. Greenie turning out to be a Wolf or somesuch), for now there's really nothing much overall. I am definitely going to post here still later, in the hope of reading something more before that and thus being able to make some more reasonable list of everyone and get some ideas from it. I wanted to say "third time's the charm", except that I think that would be already my fourth post, so anyway, before the next time I post I just hope more people would show up so I can post something substantial based on that. Also, with other fellow Finns, not going to stay up too late. So hope people just are around and post a bit... EDIT: x-ed with second Greenie, Lommy and Nogrod
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Arggh now that I'm thinking this further the game is (lovelily) frustratingly complex. Because yes, it would be the best if the maniac is killed by the wolves. But then again, how big are the chances that s/he gets targeted by the wolves? Like between 1/3 and 1/2. (Whereas a known innocent would be an immediate benefit, especially if it was accompanied by a known wolf.) And now I wanted to say, scratch my plan, the maniac should just reveal if s/he's in danger of getting lynched, and suddenly I see where the concern about wolves pulling the maniac card is coming from. Geez. Well, scratch my plan anyway I guess, although in the end it's of course up to the maniac him/herself. Werewolf is hard. Maybe I should shut up because I feel like flip-flopping is going to come out of my mouth (or keyboard) - if it already didn't. ![]() edit: xed with Nogrod
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a) leaves the one known innocent alive for at least the time being b) eliminates the risk of accidentally shooting down two innocents by lynching the Maniac during Day, c) puts the WWs in front of the decision: to either counter-reveal or just leave the village with extra security and known innocent, d) the WWs have to decide whether they want to "make a trade" of one of their members during Night-killing the Maniac, or just leave the known innocent (a powerful force) around. It also leaves the Ranger free to guard someone else, because the Maniac can in the worst case just "trade" him/herself. Sounds fair! By all means... sounds really good. Gotta think about it for a bit still, but sounds really good! EDIT: x-ed since my last
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Beg pardon. I just have to get this out of my system.
As for the penguin's plan, I think it's a little too risky, honestly. We have zero control over who the maniac takes down, and while losing the maniac could also eliminate a wolf, it could also cost us our seer or our ranger (or, knowing my luck, me, which would be just as tragic ![]() The earlier the maniac is killed, the more likely their random target won't be a wolf (the wolves are 25% of the group right now, which will almost certainly grow as the game progresses). As the group gets smaller, killing the maniac becomes a bigger risk to the wolves, so if anything, I think exposing the maniac toDay would only lead to their death toNight, and I don't think that's a good idea. I may have thought about this a little too much. x'd since 29, as I was distracted by food
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I think the maniac is actually very interesting character in this game because s/he can deliver a certain kill if the wolves try to get at her/him during the Night. That is not usual. Also - as the other side of the coin - s/he is dangerous to us exactly lynched: Legate actually himself mentioned earlier thet the manic can take down a wolf as well if lyched - which is true, but something I don't think lessens the danger considerably. So this maniac is - to my mind - no regular game-character and thus impersonating the maniac would have different dynamics from impersonating some other roles more regular to the game. EDIT: Sally: Check the rules! The maniac delivers a certain wolf-kill if targeted by Night!
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edit: xed with Sally and Nog
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Well, ignore all of it but the link. That's still relevant.
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But if the Maniac's reveal is believed we do have a known innocent. And in such a small village it could be dangerous to wait for a known innocent to appear. I'd say the risks and the reward on this plan are probably about equal.
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