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Delver in the Deep
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It appears that New Line Cinema has the rights to make a movie of not only The Hobbit, but also another prequel to the LOTR trilogy:
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My vote would be for a movie possibly titled The Rings of Power to show the forging of the great rings, Sauron's appearance amongst the elven smiths as Annatar, his forging of the One Ring, and all subsequent events down to the Last Alliance. The Last Alliance scenes could even possibly borrow footage from the prologue for consistency, and simply add to it. The main characters would be Sauron, Celebrimbor, Galadriel, Gil-Galad, Elendil and Isildur. For the last four I would hope that the actors from the trilogy would be brought back on board for the project. The main problem with showing these events would be the need to contain all the Akallabêth within the movie. It would thus have to have four parts, all pretty speedily worked through: 1. The forging of the Great Rings. Sauron as Annatar. 2. The forging of the One Ring. Sauron's war upon the elves of Eregion. Death of Celebrimbor. 3. Sauron's capture and the Akallabêth. 4. Formation of the Last Alliance and the defeat of Sauron. It would be one long movie, but one I would love to see! Your thoughts?
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If it comes AFTER the Hobbit then I see it as showing what happened to Gandalf during the Hobbit and after leading up to the Great Years. i.e.
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Though it might be too much material for one movie, not to mention all the time jumps. But I could easily imagine a movie which covers 3 and 4 (starting about the time of the death of Tar-Palantír?). The story of the rings would then be delivered in a kind of flashback, maybe told by Gil-Galad. How is the situation of the rights for the Akallabêth? It's part of the Silmarillion after all... Quote:
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I don't doubt the film would be cool, but I can't find a coherent plot in it. There's also, as Mac points out, maybe too much in it (maybe you could somehow take Akallabêth out?) and too much time jumps. I have no doubt that a good screenplay writer could handle it, but it would be difficult, and there would be compromises.
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Whatever, I can tell you that I would not like to see anything which is "made-up", I mean things which were not written by Tolkien here, there or yonder (who will answer correctly where this formulation comes from is going to win a prize
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And let's face it. This would be a movie-series for the hardcore fans, not to the wider public that wishes more of Harry Potter and Spider Man (with the doll-faced celebrity actors filling the main roles). To make such an investment as the LotR-trilogy, there should be the commercial assurance that it would sell more than enough. With this scheme there is none. So if anyone makes it, it will be 1/100'th of a budget and so on... you know how that looks.
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Let's face it guys....any prequel to LotR which is going to have any hope of making it to the big screen is going to need something with guranteed audience appeal and draw power. So look for something like:
The Chronicles of Legolas Three Films! Eleven Hours! All the Wild Stunts Anyone could ask for! And, as an added bonus, Great Amounts of Plot Commentary so you needn't worry about Getting Confused!
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You make a compelling case Macalaure, but unfortunately in these times of re-versioning James Bond, Sin City, Star Wars, Erroll Flynn's pirate movies, 50's grand Rome stories etc. we need to have something that is already familiar with the fans or having a marketing machine (via McDonalds etc) to make it thus or taking in the hottest nice-guys and primadonnas... Sorry, I don't like to sound like a cynic, but I just can't help it.
![]() LotR was a risk taken and it made a profit, but who would invest millions to try another as there are easier ones to gain money like putting Julia Roberts and Hugh Grant to yet another romantic comedy... ![]()
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LotR was a risk taken and turned out a major success. Because of that, I think, any other movie to come with the name Tolkien on it will have it much easier.
It is very similar to the Star Wars Prequels after all. The general audience has seen the Fellowship Prologue and the much-repeated shot of Isildur cutting the Ring. Like with Star Wars, they already know how it's going to end. And everybody already knows the name Sauron and perhaps even liked to have seen more of him than an eye. In this movie we would finally get to see him as an actual character (and maybe even the central one). And Second-Age-Sauron could be one of the most formidable diabolic villains of movie history. I'm not only argueing from a "Tolkien fan who wants to see his favourite stories on screen" point of view. I really think this is material for a darn good and profitable film. |
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I would love to see either the destruction of Arnor or the War of the Dwarves and Orcs.
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Although I would love to see "The Rings of Power" I doubt that it would be possible to make it into one movie withour making some seriouse changes in events, futher more it might be a bit to nerdy to be proffitable. Unfortunately money runs the show. . .
I actually think that Essex's sugestion to a movie could prove doable. . .It would appeal to people who watched LotR and found it a bit interesting, it would not be too large a project for one movie. It could possibly be made in connection to The Hobbit (I know nothing about movie production) |
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The Silm (?)
They could just concentrate on Beren and Luthien... That would be exciting. I'd probably eat through an entire tub of popcorn, and never notice. ![]()
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It just occured to me what the "prequel" (i.e. non-Hobbit-stuff) will be...
It will follow the adventures of Aragorn as he meets Gandalf, learns of his true heritage and rides around Middle Earth having a series of adventures (under assumed identities) in Rohan, Gondor, the Shire and elsewhere. They'll do a "growth of the hero" thing with action and romance (remember Arwen?), and a bunch of struggling-with-father-figure stuff in relation to Elrond and Gandalf. It will be sort of like King Arthur (y'know, wizard comes for regular guy who has to learn to be a king). Guarantee you it ends with Aragorn fighting his way through unimaginable dangers in order to make it to Bree on time to meet with some Hobbits. Oh, and I'll bet you 10 dollars right now that his faithful companion/sidekick throughout it all is Legolas.
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But seriously now. The idea of prequel to LotR might make nice connection between The Hobbit and LotR if used to describe some of the adventures Gandalf mentioned at Elrond's council (tracking Gollum to Mordor and then his escape from Thranduil - this might make a nice parallel with a scene of the Hobbit film, if there will be any, where the dwarves are at Thranduil's prison as well). But I don't think there is anything which can be done to stretch this into two hours of a movie... Without making up most of the storyline, I think it is not possible to create a coherent movie with continuous story from the things in the Chronicles. The only thing I'm afraid of is that maybe so far they haven't thought about making the movie like this... but Fordim, what if they read your post and then they decide to realize it... ![]()
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I could definitely see the Legolas thing happening. And you know what? I'll be first in line for it.
I just hope they keep Bloom - I mean, he and I are getting married eventually, after all (yes, I'm into polyandry). ![]()
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And we're supported by the words of none other than Tolkien himself: "Both [The Rings of Power and the Akallabêth] are the essential background to The Hobbit and its sequel." from Letter 131
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![]() ![]() Which of speaking I'd love to see different actors as Aragorn, Elrond, Arwen, Celeborn and the possible sidekick-Legolas as none of them was even close to the best imaginable in the LotR films.
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![]() ![]() And I stick with the second part of your post - I'd also like seeing other people, but maybe they'd like to preserve continuity (meaning the same actors). Don't know why the "Aliens" series came up to my mind: the same central actor (this time possibly one Aragornish individuum) with different pals on every casting.
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![]() *tries to think up devious and elaborate schemes for obtaining the film rights* Also, thanks for the welcome! As you can probably tell, I'm a huge Númenor fan and so have a vested interest in this idea.
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Personally I think it's just money-grubbing Hollywood trying to make as much money from the name of Tolkien and LOTR that can be made. I'm tired of all these crap sequels (or prequels) based on some pretty good movies to just make more money. There seems to be a huge increase in Hollywood these days...from the Butterfly Effect 2, Save the Last Dance 2, Behind Enemy Lines 2, Rocky X (or whatever number they're on)...etc
If a movie wants to be made on The Hobbit, go right ahead, as there's at least a good story and plot line to work off of and make a movie off of. But to me the people behind this idea of a 'prequel' to the events of LOTR, are no better than the horrendous David Day, who just makes up bilge, apply the name of Tolkien to it so he can rake in a profit.
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