Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLIX - At the Source of Darkness

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Almost depressing???

Well, depressing really, but I'm in a good mood otherwise, so I can't be depressed, so that's why the "almost" was in there... Besides, I guess I have to admit this is almost amusing because this is going so disastrously... I mean, often it feels like the village was just full of cobblers.

edit: xed with Nog

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Just a reminder: no frivolous voting now. We really have to get a baddie toDay

Okay... So who should we vote for?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Just a reminder: no frivolous voting now. We really have to get a baddie toDay

Exactly. Our numbers are still good what comes to the victory-conditions but if we lynch an innocent and lose one during the Night with no assassination then toMorrow there will be four votes wishing us make the wrong decisions and only four to counter that. And two of those ill-wishers will know each other.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Phantom even says he suspected Form "for two days". As we all know, Phantom loves to assume that the gifted do what he suggests. So when Form didn't die the first night via Cobbler-Assassin, he was a perfect scapegoat for Phantom-wolf to try and save Fea, even if it did look forced.

...That made so much more sense in the shower...

Maybe I'm just illiterate of a morning. Ugh. I've rethought and decided Phantom might be a wolf, and not just a cobbler.

++ Phantom

Must dash. Probably won't be around again today. If I am, it'll be for about five minutes snagged on a library computer.

[Nogrod]

A throw into the discussion...

Brinn seems to be very considerate and she plays smoothly but there is something I'm pretty worried about in her fluency. If she and tp were the wolves it would explain a lot - like her encounters / speculation about him in #192 and #193. (Yes I had almost forgotten how bad tp looks on Day2... must be his good explanations on Day3 which I have not yet reached.)

Btw. I need to take a break as I haven't yet eaten anything today but I will be continuing my slow process of working through this whole thread (I'm on post #201 right now).

[the phantom]

Nog- as far as your points about non-voters, I'd say that I agree that WWs always like to vote. However they could purposefully not vote in order to be dismissed. And seeing as the leading vote-getters Day 1 and Day 3 have been proven to be non-WWs, there was really no need for them to vote. Just something to keep in mind.

Shasta- I'm thinking Cobbler rather than WW. He'd be much more careful if he was a WW. He made arguments that made little sense early in the day, and when I smacked them down forcefully he didn't even respond. And now he shows up and makes another gem of a post which is once again faulty at best, if not actually full of evil intent.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Phantom even says he suspected Form "for two days".

Yep, I did.

Originally Posted by Shasta

As we all know, Phantom loves to assume that the gifted do what he suggests.

Obviously, there is no possible way anyone can know what in the world a gifted is going to do. I make suggestions, and make logical generalizations, but I rarely assume that they will do exactly as I wish. Rather I fear that they haven't done what I'd wish.

Originally Posted by Shasta

he was a perfect scapegoat for Phantom-wolf to try and save Fea

Erm... He was the only person I could vote for to save Fea. If you'll recall, no one else had any votes. Kath was who I actually wanted to lynch yesterday, but she didn't attract votes.

Originally Posted by Shasta

...That made so much more sense in the shower...

I guess you had to be there.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Phantom even says he suspected Form "for two days". As we all know, Phantom loves to assume that the gifted do what he suggests. So when Form didn't die the first night via Cobbler-Assassin, he was a perfect scapegoat for Phantom-wolf to try and save Fea, even if it did look forced.

Hmmm... why would a wolf-phantom want to save an ordo-Fea any more than an ordo-phantom would like to save her? Shasta's logic really makes me raise my eyebrows, but I think he still seems rather innocent.

edit: xed with Nog and tp

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

Exactly. Our numbers are still good what comes to the victory-conditions but if we lynch an innocent and lose one during the Night with no assassination then toMorrow there will be four votes wishing us make the wrong decisions and only four to counter that.

Indeed. The current count of 8-2 doesn't seem that bad, but if no WWs or Cobblers are killed during this Day/Night cycle then suddenly our plight seems rather desperate.

Originally Posted by Dur

I'm really not, I just suck at being good.

So you feel more at home as an evil doer, eh? If we ever have a massive Barrow-Downs get together remind me to keep an eye on Dur. She might steal our things and beat us up.

[Durelin]

I'm just better at causing mayhem than actually being insightful.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Hmmm... why would a wolf-phantom want to save an ordo-Fea any more than an ordo-phantom would like to save her? Shasta's logic really makes me raise my eyebrows, but I think he still seems rather innocent.

Well, it could be about making himself look better. He knows she's not a wolf at least, and maybe doesn't suspect her to be a cobbler, so... But I don't think that works in this situation.

I'd like to think we can use the knowledge that Form was indeed a cobbler to our advantage. I'd also like to think that knowing that the wolves did not think Mith was a cobbler is helpful in some way, but probably not (you could argue from that that the wolves actually did think that only a innocent would put forward the Kitanna lynching idea). Can how a person treated Form tell us anything?

I think I want to look at Nerwen more closely, because her last couple posts where all she does is warn us against frivolous votes and says that things are depressing really bother me. I don't get it. And I can see her having fun with something like that.

Looking over her posts, she mostly seems to respond to people, acting sometimes as a mediator, explaining to people what others have said about them if they are confused/'upset' by it. (I've seen her do that outside WW, but I don't think that means anything.) At least she's done it a couple times. And what else...she dropped a little bomb about how she actually was thinking Lalaith might be the seer on Day 1. Interesting. There's really not much. Her votes have been for Kitanna (she seemed neutral-ish about the Kitanna lynch, didn't really think it was a great idea but didn't really fight it, didn't want to vote Gwath) and Lommy. Her reason for voting Lommy:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes, she's a bit strange, somehow...

So I wonder why she's reminding everyone against frivolous votes. Yes, that was back on Day 2, but...

Then she says this about Mith:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

but then so are you, Mith.

*shrugs*

Anyway, surely Mac-mod wouldn't let Nogrod and Nerwen be wolves together again without me!

Hmm, I guess I have time to look at someone else...woohoo...

Edit: Aw darn, was mixing up games. My stupid joke is even more stupid.^^

[Durelin]

Kath really hasn't said much...really. Usually she has a very small post count, but also usually there is more to her posts. Yes, she's said she's playing a new style and she has seemed to be quite busy. Anyway, I do agree with what she said on Day 2 about not underestimating cobblers. I think to many people have done that, including myself.

She was the first to vote for Lommy on Day 2. She was followed by Mith and then Nerwen. I don't know what Lommy is and of course that was when we lynched our seer. Nerwen's vote just feels like it's positioned strangely most likely because it followed a cobbler's and ooh, bandwagon! As if it isn't a bandwagon even that gets a wolf lynched.

So back to Nogrod for a moment, mwahaha! He suspects me because I suspect him, but he doesn't suspect Lommy because she suspects both of us, and he says he always suspects Kath and she always suspects him except that neither of them have done much suspecting of each other at all, except mentioning that they always suspect each other.

I think the only reason Nogrod was wishy-washy on his suspicion of me was because he was wondering if I was a cobbler...

I want to look at Brinniel and Greenie, but I just don't have time...yes, I picked Nerwen and Kath because they have been quiet-ish so there's less to go through...I had a very early class and soon I must leave to go to class for the next 3 hours so...

Anyway, I'm not going to worry about being completely wrong as I usually am and go with someone who the majority seems to think they might vote for like I did with Fea (of course at this point I have no idea who the majority might vote for...really it may be me), and just vote.

++Nogrod

Surprised?

[Kath]

Durelin, I'm quite pleased that you think my posts usually contain anything helpful. Generally I get condemned for merely analysing. I am playing a different style and it is far more fun. Clearly not very accurate though as I was totally wrong on Fea. However, given that, I still think our main suspects must lie in the last minute flurry of voting that ended up with her death. That's not to say though that they must be those who voted for her. I think it's likely, but there were others there.

Now, you can probably see where I'm going with this and that's back to phantom. I see I have an ally here in Shasta, but I wish I didn't because his arguments and reasoning are just bizarre. phantom wanted to save Fea, hardly a surprise. To save Fea he voted Form, again not a surprise as he's insisted Form is a cobbler for some time. I don't understand what Shasta has taken from this. What I take from it is that phantom played a very nice double blind and is a wolf.

Apart from all that Nog is firmly on my radar now. Going back over the voting I found that quote in which he basically says 'tell me who to vote for' and also, in saying he might be willing to lynch Fea, made a bandwagon more likely. I'm not sure though whether he'd be wolf or cobbler.

That's what I'm thinking right now. I may have to vote a little early and if I do it will be for one of those two.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Kath

What I take from it is that phantom played a very nice double blind and is a wolf.

Now that is reasoning I can live with. You are saying that I as a WW would try and get a Cobbler lynched to save an innocent all as a huge bluff. I'd say that at that point in the game with all four Cobblers still around that it would indeed be within the realm of possibility for something I would do.

But, Kath, I think you can agree though that I certainly would not have killed Mith-Cobbler. Especially with her helping me the way she was.

[Nogrod]

Ahh Dury! You manage to surprise me Day after Day!

Originally Posted by Kath

Going back over the voting I found that quote in which he basically says 'tell me who to vote for'

Yes I did - or at least I said: please be a little more open with your intentions. I mean it's totally insane if we have something like 15 minutes to go - or ten... or five... or two - and you have no idea whom people are going to vote as they all hide in the shadows saying nothing and if they post they just rant this or that. Surely I like to vote those I suspect but if the possible lynchees are totally against my preferences I'd like to be able to make a difference and fex. try to save someone I think is less guilty or be able to affect the lynching of the one I feel more guilty. That I find very important indeed.

Originally Posted by Kath

and also, in saying he might be willing to lynch Fea, made a bandwagon more likely.

Absolutely. I was driving for her lynching indeed. And I felt pretty secure she was up to no good. And I was wrong. Funny you make that point now as I've said this two times already... (just tells us how much you concentrate eg. I don't think you're a wolf)


I'll try to go back to my mammouth-scale read-through. Let's see if I'm able to learn anything from there.

[A Little Green]

Here at last. It's nice to see people actually debating (especially as I don't do it myself...)

Originally Posted by Nog

And who says Greenie is innocent as she writes seldomly and votes early?

I'm sorry for that. I think Lommy already gave a reasonable explanation for why I vote early. As to why I post seldom, well, I have to study (surprise, surprise) and happen to share the computer with another person who plays werewolf as well and needs to post. ToDay I've been even more uncontributing than usual, I only came home from school two hours ago and had to eat and let Lommy finish being on the computer and read the whole Day through... I'll try to be more active toMorrow.

Originally Posted by Dury

He suspects me because I suspect him, but he doesn't suspect Lommy because she suspects both of us, and he says he always suspects Kath and she always suspects him except that neither of them have done much suspecting of each other at all, except mentioning that they always suspect each other.

Huh?

This whole Nog-Dury -affair looks very weird and I definitely want to think on it a little more. On the other hand, I'm pretty angry at myself that I only think of those two now when I actually should think about who's a wolf and who isn't, and I find it very probable that at least one of the wolves is keeping a low profile.

YesterDay's voting was bad, honestly. I can't dismiss the thought that a majority of the votes given yesterDay could have been baddies' votes and that really is something I don't want repeated.

Back with a look on the remaining villagers...


EDIT: x-ed with Noggins

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

But, Kath, I think you can agree though that I certainly would not have killed Mith-Cobbler. Especially with her helping me the way she was.

I'd say this is the strongest possible argument in favour of tp being innocent. Not because she helped him - the "help" might have even annoyed him indeed were he a wolf - but I just don't think he would have killed Mith during the Night. And that goes for the very same reason he wanted to save Fea whatever her role was - which he couldn't have known in any case.

[A Little Green]

The villagers.

Shasta - I still don't have a read on him. His theories do seem quite far-fetched but I don't know whether it's to be read as wolvery or cobblery or innocence.
Eönwë - I think he might well be an under-the-radar wolf. Then again, I can't be sure of him since I remember very little of what he has said. I should have a look at him and will if I have the time.
Nerwen - I still categorise her as innocentish because she seems as much.
Kath - The consensus seems to be that she's a cobbler. I think she isn't. I think the cobbler assassin might have checked her the night people expected him/her to take Form. Or am I mixing the days up? I'm really too lazy and tired to check...
Dury - Feels innocent, though not as much as before. She might be a cobbler, but I don't think she is a wolf.
Brinn - Under my reindeer, my first impression is a vague "she usually makes sense". Should have a look on her, though..
Nog - He could be anything. No idea.
Greenie - Me!! (Woo hoo.) I'm no wolf. Nor a cobbler, for that matter. Definitely not.
the phantom - YesterDay I was pretty sure he was just a bored innocent. ToDay I have the feeling that he might well be a wolf...
Lommy - I never suspect her. Never. My gut says once again that she is innocent but maybe I should check her. Gah. Too lazy.

So who, then, could be the wolves? Eönwë and phantom? Or maybe cuddly little Lommy? Brinn? Nog? Shasta? I'm too confused. Don't know...


EDIT: x-ed with Noggins again! Hooray!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Or it could be Shasta coming down from the Gifted-high he had last game back to regularlarly-scheduled ordo-ness.

Snagged a library computer. What I'm saying, Phantom, is that your vote yesterday for Form was almost as if you knew you couldn't save Fea and were just going through the motions for effect.

And you do too like to assume, via the gifteds. What was that just the other day? "I assume Gwath dreamt of Mith and Groin, so let's all go with that"?

Edit: X'd with Nog and Greenie... Nog reminds me that a lot of my play this game is based off people, not roles, which is why I may seem "far-fetched".

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Shasta

was almost as if you knew you couldn't save Fea

How could anyone possibly know that she couldn't be saved? As I've said twice already, it only would've taken one single vote to do it.

Originally Posted by Shasta

And you do too like to assume, via the gifteds. What was that just the other day? "I assume Gwath dreamt of Mith and Groin, so let's all go with that"?

Well, duh, because we knew precisely who the Seer was and he had left clues behind as to who he had chosen for his dreams.

My "assumption" was more or less statement of revealed fact.

Your reasoning continues to be perplexingly off, Shasta. You're pretty much screaming "I'm a Cobbler" at this point.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Just a reminder: no frivolous voting now. We really have to get a baddie toDay

You know, when I first read that, I read "Just a reindeer". Must be all this subsitution of "radar" for the above mentioned creature of the North.

[A Little Green]

So, we have a bit less than one and a half hours to go, and I am very lost. I felt much more on trace yesterDay. There are of course plenty of things I should look at if I had the energy.

I think this debate between Shasta and phantom is really quite silly - Shasta throws weird points against tp who retaliates by stating that Shasta is not reasoning well and is therefore a cobbler.

Originally Posted by phantom

Well, duh, because we knew precisely who the Seer was and he had left clues behind as to who he had chosen for his dreams.

My "assumption" was more or less statement of revealed fact.

Oh but this reasoning is quite weird as well - I don't think we can take for certain that Mith and Groin were the ones Gwath dreamt of. I understand that this issue is already debated but I felt the need to point out that only because the majority thought it to be so it doesn't mean that it actually was that way.
I can understand Shasta's annoyance with phantom's manner but I think he (Shasta) is taking it a bit too far.. And phantom isn't making it any better with that "those who disagree with me do so because they are stupid" -attitude.


EDIT: x-ed with Eönwë

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

You know, when I first read that, I read "Just a reindeer". Must be all this subsitution of "radar" for the above mentioned creature of the North.

Haha

I'll have to think for a while now of who to vote. No analysis from me toDay after all - too tired and too lazy. Back with a vote and (hopefully) some clearer thoughts. I'll really really try to find more time and energy for werewolf toMorrow if I'm still alive.

[Kath]

Alright, I need to vote now.

++NOGROD

I was determined that it was to be phantom but he just has to go and make a reasonable point. I'm going to look at that Mith thing very, very carefully.

[Eönwë]

Greenie has got a point. The phantom/Shasta is quite odd. Both based on assumptions which the other plainly disagrees with and argues back with even more assumptions. Wel, obviously some of each person's points made sense and were backed up, but some were just things to throw at the other.

Now, I'm not saying that one of them is a wolf, but there is a chance that one may be a cobbler (But you never know with tp). Anyway, of the two, phantom does raise better points, but still, he is assuming too much.

edit: x-ed with Kath

[Nogrod]

I've re-read everything but toDay looking at the few people I have had very little to say this far (+ re-reading Dury once again).

From that I learned that Nerwen and Shasta look pretty good. But a few reservations should be made.

Like someone already said, Nerwen isn't too open with her suspicions and her votes may be little "out of the sun" with little or no backing. It could be a good wolf-policy to look like "lady-reason" in what comes to general matters or pointing problems in other's arguments but being careful not to reveal one's own intentions.

Shasta has been very good and innocent looking & feeling up to toDay. ToDay I find his reasoning and the fervour with which he tries to engage with tp quite odd. Even if I have to say tp hasn't been too good either with his kind of over-reacting and some minor flips he has made (like the one concerning Mith who "helped" him as a reason not to kill her were he a wolf etc...).

Greenie looks possibly the most innocent of those I read again. Although her strict sticking to voting Gwath in Days 1 and 2 could be a methodical wolf-cover and voting Form yesterDay was an easy vote as well. Perfect wolf-covers then. But I wouldn't vote her, at least now, because otherwise she looks sharp and innocentish.

The rest in a few minutes (need to think about them a little before saying anything).

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Green

Shasta throws weird points against tp who retaliates by stating that Shasta is not reasoning well and is therefore a cobbler.

So you admit that his points are weird.

Thank you. That is exactly the point of my retaliations- making it clear to everyone how fishy Shasta is being. I'm glad that we agree on that.

Originally Posted by Green

I don't think we can take for certain that Mith and Groin were the ones Gwath dreamt of.

If by "for certain" you mean bet our lives on it, then no, of course not. But I'd wager a nice sum of money on it. It is a fact that Gwath knew he was the Seer and knew his words would be looked at for clues should he die. As I've said before villages might as well not even have Seers if people aren't going to try and trust their words.

Originally Posted by Green

And phantom isn't making it any better with that "those who disagree with me do so because they are stupid" -attitude.

See, now you're putting words into my mouth.

And you're disagreeing with me, stupid!

[Eönwë]

Ok, let's see the votes so far (not many, but still):

Shasta: tp
Dury: Nog
Kath: Nog (2)

[Nogrod]

Ahh, Kath. So now everything is in the normal order...

[Brinniel]

I said I would share some of my earlier thoughts on Durelin, so I will:

Originally Posted by Durelin

Ooh, look at the attention I'm getting. Seriously, though...I never get this much attention when I'm actually a wolf...

This comment actually reminds me of something Aganzir said when she was a wolf. Such a statement can easily make someone rethink their suspicions, especially when what's been said was true in the past. But it doesn't mean it's true this time. The statement is a perfect excuse for a wolf to say "don't lynch me."

Later...her vote for Fea. Durelin voted her first which at first glance may make her seem less guilty, but Fea was already talked about as a candidate...she just seemed to be very much an opportunist there.

Originally Posted by Durelin

I still feel Lommy and Shasta are innocent.

I feel that Nogrod and Kath aren't.

I think Greenie might be evil.

I don't know about Brinniel or phantom.

These one line statements are odd...I don't know what to think of them.

Originally Posted by Durelin

What do you think of Kath, Nog?

Why is it so important for her to know his opinion?

And then her attacks on Nogrod after he attacks her...what to think about that? Would a Durelin-wolf so strongly go after an innocent Nogrod? (And the same thing could be said vice versa.) Is it really that possible that both could be wolves? On a Day that either one could be lynched...I just don't know.

Maybe Durelin isn't a wolf, but just a cobbler. Either way, I don't think her intentions are good.

[Thinlómien]

I'm back here... and for a change, I'm not too sure who to vote.

I could vote Nog or Durelin. (Although I'm not too happy with the Nog-wagon as it stands. It looks too much like a bandwagon.) I could vote Kath too. I'm pretty confident at least one of them is evil in at least some way. Nogrod feels most wolvish and most innocent. Kath and Durelin feel pretty cobbleirsh, Durelin more so of the two. But it's difficult... aaargh.

edit: xed with Brinny

[A Little Green]

Argh, I really think we shouldn't concentrate on Dury and Nog too much... Oh I realised I must vote soon and still have no idea. Somehow Brinn's latest seems a bit wolvish to me. Can't say why...

I'll vote soon. Really.


EDIT: x-ed with no one? Honestly, where is everyone?

[Nogrod]

The "Nog bandwagon" consists of votes of one cobbler and one wolf - or then two cobblers. I'm getting a bad feeling about that being the case.

Well, the good news is that idf I'm right and the four manage to get me lynched (with possible help of some innocents) you know then what to do toMorrow / the c-a the next Night.

But really, Kath posts first like tp is her main suspect but she then votes for me. Secondly her playing style would fit a cobbler-role more than nicely. Let's keep others guessing until they have to "waste" a lynch on her when critical moments come. Well played - and that's what I expect from Kath anyhow.

Dury I'm more and more uneasy with.

[Brinniel]

Who should I vote for toDay?

Candidates:
Durelin- still seems like a wolf or cobbler to me, but which?
Thinlómien- While I don't find her overly suspicious, she has been slipping under my radar which worries me.
Nogrod- I always feel inclined to trust him since he's so helpful and that's bad for me to do. I wonder if perhaps his suggestion to vote Fea yesterDay was actually something sinister...and I still don't know what to think about him and Durelin going at each other.
the phantom- He remains such a big mystery to me...and because of that I'm constantly worried about him. I don't think there's a huge chance of me voting him toDay, but he's definitely someone I still want to really watch.

Not:
Kath- Is either an innocent or cobbler. But I don't think a wolf.
Shastanis Althreduin- While some of his reasoning is off, it looks more like the reasoning of an innocent. Maybe it's more of a gut feeling than anything...but I don't think he's evil.
Nerwen- I'm less certain about her, but she seems less suspicious toDay so I don't have any reason to vote her.
A Little Green- I found her suspicious at first, but these last couple Days she's been looking more and more innocent.
Eönwë- I still think he's innocent. His behaviour seems innocentish.

EDIT: X-ed with Nogrod

[the phantom]

As far as voting, I'm feeling a bit better about Kath today, so I'm not as anxious to lynch her.

Shasta would probably be my first preference. I do worry that some of it is personal, but the fact remains that his comments have been rather baffling, which makes me think of a Cobbler.

As far as the Nog versus Durelin battle that has been brewing, I really don't know what to do.

Nog I feel is the most likely to be innocent. If guilty I'd say he's a WW rather than a Cobbler.

I'm slightly more suspicious of Durelin than I am of Nog, but if she's not evil I feel her as being the more likely of the two to be gifted.

Remember when I said this yesterday-

The person who I feel the most strongly is something other than a Cobbler might well be the Assassin, so I don't want to make a WW case against them naturally.

That was Dur that I was speaking of. But at this point I think it's safe to say it. First, because she looks like she might be a candidate so if I don't say it now it's never. Second, because I've actually moved her out of my top spot on the likely Assassin list. After today I'm leaning towards thinking someone different is the Assassin. Not saying who, naturally.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Noggins

The "Nog bandwagon" consists of votes of one cobbler and one wolf - or then two cobblers. I'm getting a bad feeling about that being the case.

Well, the good news is that idf I'm right and the four manage to get me lynched (with possible help of some innocents) you know then what to do toMorrow / the c-a the next Night.

This is very wolvish. I don't know whether I should vote for him after all. His reaction that the ones who vote for him are wolves or cobblers seems furry. The whole post screams "Look look I'm just a poor little Nog and the baddies are trying to kill me! (And if you vote for me you are a baddie. Therefore you shouldn't do so! *wink wink*)"

Oh yes, I know I'm grasping at straws now. But there's little else to grasp at...

[A Little Green]

Gah, I want to go to sleep.

++ Shasta

After all, I decided to go after the under-the-radar person I feel most uncomfortable with. Let's hope for the best.

Good night!

[Durelin]

Got out of class early...

Well, you don't have to worry, phantom, I am not the assassin, though I wish I was. It's been too long since I've been just a plain old ordo, so I am out of practice with this lost feeling...

Anyway.

Originally Posted by Nog

The "Nog bandwagon" consists of votes of one cobbler and one wolf - or then two cobblers.

This doesn't seem self-righteous at all...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

As far as the Nog versus Durelin battle that has been brewing, I really don't know what to do.

A "battle"?

I think our cobblers (and/or wolves) are doing a nice work here. Suddenly everyone seems to think there is a Battle... and if Dury happens to be innocent - which I'm not easily believing - the better performance from the baddies.

But yes, at this moment I'm both ready and willing to check out Dury or to rid us from the cobbler-Kath.

And btw. tp funny you should feel better about Kath the instant she lifts you off the hook...

I mean if Dury is not a wolf (or a cobbler) I'd really suggest we (you) go on checking Mr. phantom for good.

And even if I kind of tend to trust Brinn her posts #192 and #193 are quite interesting - not forgetting that she had started already on Day1 underlining that tp is no wolf but could be a cobbler to be sure.


Ahh, you see, fear of death makes your tongue sing...

Originally Posted by Greenie

Oh yes, I know I'm grasping at straws now.

Exactly that. And that doesn't exactly make you look more innocent indeed even if I'm not too assured about your bad intentions either.

[Eönwë]

15 minutes left and I still have no idea who to vote...

edit: make that 10.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nog

if Dury happens to be innocent - which I'm not easily believing

That was fast, Nog...just yesterDay you were so confused...what happened? Have enough people convinced that it's safe to proceed full-on?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

15 minutes left and I still have no idea who to vote...

Sounds familiar... although, I have some idea. Like three candidates. But I have hard time deciding which on to vote... Nogrod is really confusing me with this last-minute frenzy of his...

edit: xed with Durelin who makes a fair point about Nog