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Maglor68 · 06-01-2001, 05:41 AM

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Not bad Telchar. You only forgot one that I can think of. I also probably should have specified a time period (to resolve the Sauron serves Aule or Melkor problem, for example).

If we look at the Maiar at the time they descended into Arda, than we have

Manwe Eonwe
Ulmo Osse, Uinen, Salmar
Aule Sauron, Saruman
Orome Alatar, Pallamdo, Tilion
Lorien Melian
Varda Ilmare
Yavanna Radagast
Nienna Olorin

Also, even though she was not corrupted by him, I assume that as a fire spirit Arien was part of Melkor's retinue before he went bad.

Melkor Arien, Gothmog

It is unknown to whom Tom Bombadil and Goldberry belonged.

I guess it's you, Telchar.

By the way - who is Salmar?

- Maglor

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Grond · 06-01-2001, 05:47 AM

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I'd like to sayonly a couple of things:

"Then there were the two who became the sun and the moon but i have forgotten who they were..." -> Arien and Tilion.

Saruman and Radagast were known as Curumo and Aiwendil. Saruman and Radagast are not properly maiar, but istari (since they were invested in human bodies they were tied to the world and things like this...)

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Telchar · 06-01-2001, 06:46 AM

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A couple of things ...

Arien was not fire spirit or not connected in any way to Melkor - So DAMN YOU - I had to go and look it up! <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> - Originally she tended the golden flowers in gardens of the Valie Vana! So we can add a Ninth Vala to the list!

Manwe = Eonwe
Ulmo = Osse, Uinen, Salmar
Aule = Sauron, Saruman
Orome = Alatar, Pallamdo, Tilion (nice finding)
Lorien/Irmo = Olorin
Varda = Ilmare
Yavanna = Radagast and Melian
Vana / Arien
Melkor = Gothmog

Regarding Gothmog - well JRRT changed his opinion on the origin of Balrogs - In earlier Myth there were thousands - in Later Myth he cut the number of Balrogs down to only seven ... Still I think we can put Gothmog on the list <img src=smile.gif ALT="

"> - In very early Myth Gothmog was actually the son of Melkor - And Eönwe (though he then had another name that I have forgotten) was the son of Manwë <img src=smile.gif ALT="

">

Im not sure we can count Bombadil and Goldberry among the Maiar - The subject is very unclear - at least to me!

Salmar was he who wrought the umlari (if thats the correct spelling) - the umlari was the horns of Ulmo

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Telchar · 06-01-2001, 07:05 AM

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I have a comment to Grond who said:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Saruman and Radagast were known as Curumo and Aiwendil. Saruman and Radagast are not properly maiar, but istari (since they were invested in human bodies they were tied to the world and things like this...)<hr></blockquote>

I totally disagree! Although you're right that they (the Istari) were tied to the world and could be slain - they still remained maiar spirits - if slain they would like Gandalf return to Aman to be rehoused or as in Saurons case create a new body/house for themselves - what you're saying is that when Saurons body were slain in the downfall of Numenor he would die because he was a man? Here I assume that he took the the shape of a man when he was taken captive by the Numenoreans.
Gandalf spirit returned to Aman when his body was slain. Saruman was slain and his spirit rouse from his body:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> From RoTK
For a moment it wavered, looking to the West; but out of the West came a cold wind, and it bend away, and with a sigh dissolved into<hr></blockquote>

Sarumans return was refused by the Valar or maybe even Iluvatar - so he could not return - wether or not he with time could be able to create a new house for his spirit I do not know...

It's like having a cup of tea - if you break the cup you no longer have a cup, but you still have tea - now its just on the floor <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

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Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000018>Telchar</A> at: 6/1/01 9:13:00 am

Grond · 06-01-2001, 07:46 AM

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I hope this is the last reply concerning istari and their nature here. But somebody could open a new topic in the books forum...

I do not agree with you Telchar. Sauron took an appearance, but did not invest himself in the body of a man. Annatar, for example, did not grow older, as the istari did. Istari could be killed (mening the dead or their bodies), despite their spirits could return. When Gandalf died, Olorin returned in a new body (he was no longer Gandalf the Grey but the White); when sauron was defeated (not killed), he took another appearance. In my opinion, their cases are completely different.

Remember that Tokien did never said that Sauron was invested in a human's body when he took an appearance. And that is quite significant.

To sum up, I simply differenciate Gandalf from Olorin. They are not the same.

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Maglor68 · 06-01-2001, 08:16 AM

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Grond man - you are REALLY reaching. Okay: If you want to differentiate between the Maiar as they existed in Valinor and their incarnations as Istari in Middle Earth, I can see your point only from the strictest of technical definitions.

The bottom line, however, is that Saruman (for example) did exist in Valinor AS a Maia (I forget what his name in Valinor was) who served Aule. He DID take form as an Istari in Middle Earth who, though his powers were limited, was still unquestionably the same identity. I challenge you to find even one other person on this board who agrees with you on this point.

In any event, this question refers to Maia at the time of their entrance into Arda. So if you need to nit pick and say it was Olorin and not Gandalf, that's your business. But Telchar totally got it right.

- Maglor

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Maglor68 · 06-01-2001, 08:28 AM

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By the way Telchar, are you sure about Olorin and Melian? I have to go back and check the books, but I could have sworn according to the Sil they served Nienna and Lorien respectively, not Lorien and Yavanna.

As far as Arien is concerned, that was just a guess. In LOTR mythology, I've always associated the four greatest male Valar with the elements:

Melkor - Fire
Manwe - Air
Ulmo - Water
Aule - Earth

Although this is never specified for Melkor, my assumption comes from 1) his obsession with the Flame Imperishable, and 2) the constant references to him as being a lord of fire (and frost). As Arien IS a fire spirit, I always just assumed that originally she was part of his clan. Later, when he became evil, she was only fire spirit not to join in his rebellion. Perhaps she attached herself to Vana after she left Melkor in the same way that Sauron attached himself to Melkor after he left Aule.

Just a theory.

- Maglor

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Maglor68 · 06-04-2001, 10:24 AM

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Telchar, you're up dude!

- Maglor

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Telchar · 06-04-2001, 10:50 PM

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What was the name of the tree that Luthien was held captive in?

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Maglor68 · 06-05-2001, 05:31 AM

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Was it Bob? Bob the Tree?

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Telchar · 06-05-2001, 05:37 AM

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No - Im sure it could have been <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)">

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Grond · 06-05-2001, 08:24 AM

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Hirilorn?

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Telchar · 06-05-2001, 11:24 PM

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Hirilorn is good - go on Grond! <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)">

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Maglor68 · 06-08-2001, 04:48 AM

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Grond - you out there, man?

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Grond · 06-08-2001, 07:57 AM

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Sorry for the delay, I'm having exams nowadays.

I'll make an easy one: what was Ringil?

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HerenIstarion · 06-08-2001, 12:10 PM

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Fingolfin's sword

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Grond · 06-09-2001, 06:35 AM

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Correct of course.

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What was the deed for which Isildur was renowned?

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Odysseus819 · 06-10-2001, 05:23 AM

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Rescuing a fruit of Nimloth.

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Maglor68 · 06-11-2001, 06:18 AM

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Cutting off Sauron's finger which bore the one ring?

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The Watcher in the Water · 06-11-2001, 09:47 PM

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Didnt he cut off the whole hand of Sauron?

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06-01-2001, 06:46 AM	#83
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 316</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Valar/Maiar A couple of things ... Arien was not fire spirit or not connected in any way to Melkor - So DAMN YOU - I had to go and look it up! <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> - Originally she tended the golden flowers in gardens of the Valie Vana! So we can add a Ninth Vala to the list! Manwe = Eonwe Ulmo = Osse, Uinen, Salmar Aule = Sauron, Saruman Orome = Alatar, Pallamdo, Tilion (nice finding) Lorien/Irmo = Olorin Varda = Ilmare Yavanna = Radagast and Melian Vana / Arien Melkor = Gothmog Regarding Gothmog - well JRRT changed his opinion on the origin of Balrogs - In earlier Myth there were thousands - in Later Myth he cut the number of Balrogs down to only seven ... Still I think we can put Gothmog on the list <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> - In very early Myth Gothmog was actually the son of Melkor - And Eönwe (though he then had another name that I have forgotten) was the son of Manwë <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> Im not sure we can count Bombadil and Goldberry among the Maiar - The subject is very unclear - at least to me! Salmar was he who wrought the umlari (if thats the correct spelling) - the umlari was the horns of Ulmo <img src=smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> Telchar Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p> __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

06-01-2001, 07:05 AM	#84
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 317</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The Silmarillion's quiz I have a comment to Grond who said: <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> Saruman and Radagast were known as Curumo and Aiwendil. Saruman and Radagast are not properly maiar, but istari (since they were invested in human bodies they were tied to the world and things like this...)<hr></blockquote> I totally disagree! Although you're right that they (the Istari) were tied to the world and could be slain - they still remained maiar spirits - if slain they would like Gandalf return to Aman to be rehoused or as in Saurons case create a new body/house for themselves - what you're saying is that when Saurons body were slain in the downfall of Numenor he would die because he was a man? Here I assume that he took the the shape of a man when he was taken captive by the Numenoreans. Gandalf spirit returned to Aman when his body was slain. Saruman was slain and his spirit rouse from his body: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> From RoTK For a moment it wavered, looking to the West; but out of the West came a cold wind, and it bend away, and with a sigh dissolved into<hr></blockquote> Sarumans return was refused by the Valar or maybe even Iluvatar - so he could not return - wether or not he with time could be able to create a new house for his spirit I do not know... It's like having a cup of tea - if you break the cup you no longer have a cup, but you still have tea - now its just on the floor <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> Telchar Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000018>Telchar</A> at: 6/1/01 9:13:00 am* __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

06-04-2001, 10:50 PM	#89
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 322</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Where are you Telchar? What was the name of the tree that Luthien was held captive in? Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p> __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

06-05-2001, 05:37 AM	#91
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 328</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The silmarillion's quiz No - Im sure it could have been <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p> __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

06-05-2001, 11:24 PM	#93
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 332</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The silmarillion's quiz Hirilorn is good - go on Grond! <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p> __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

06-01-2001, 05:41 AM	#81
Maglor68 Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 112	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 19</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Valar/Maiar Not bad Telchar. You only forgot one that I can think of. I also probably should have specified a time period (to resolve the Sauron serves Aule or Melkor problem, for example). If we look at the Maiar at the time they descended into Arda, than we have Manwe Eonwe Ulmo Osse, Uinen, Salmar Aule Sauron, Saruman Orome Alatar, Pallamdo, Tilion Lorien Melian Varda Ilmare Yavanna Radagast Nienna Olorin Also, even though she was not corrupted by him, I assume that as a fire spirit Arien was part of Melkor's retinue before he went bad. Melkor Arien, Gothmog It is unknown to whom Tom Bombadil and Goldberry belonged. I guess it's you, Telchar. By the way - who is Salmar? - Maglor </p>

06-01-2001, 05:47 AM	#82
Grond Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 302	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 284</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> The Silmarillion's quiz I'd like to sayonly a couple of things: "Then there were the two who became the sun and the moon but i have forgotten who they were..." -> Arien and Tilion. Saruman and Radagast were known as Curumo and Aiwendil. Saruman and Radagast are not properly maiar, but istari (since they were invested in human bodies they were tied to the world and things like this...) </p>

06-01-2001, 07:46 AM	#85
Grond Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 302	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 285</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Istari I hope this is the last reply concerning istari and their nature here. But somebody could open a new topic in the books forum... I do not agree with you Telchar. Sauron took an appearance, but did not invest himself in the body of a man. Annatar, for example, did not grow older, as the istari did. Istari could be killed (mening the dead or their bodies), despite their spirits could return. When Gandalf died, Olorin returned in a new body (he was no longer Gandalf the Grey but the White); when sauron was defeated (not killed), he took another appearance. In my opinion, their cases are completely different. Remember that Tokien did never said that Sauron was invested in a human's body when he took an appearance. And that is quite significant. To sum up, I simply differenciate Gandalf from Olorin. They are not the same. </p>

06-01-2001, 08:16 AM	#86
Maglor68 Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 112	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 20</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Istari Grond man - you are REALLY reaching. Okay: If you want to differentiate between the Maiar as they existed in Valinor and their incarnations as Istari in Middle Earth, I can see your point only from the strictest of technical definitions. The bottom line, however, is that Saruman (for example) did exist in Valinor AS a Maia (I forget what his name in Valinor was) who served Aule. He DID take form as an Istari in Middle Earth who, though his powers were limited, was still unquestionably the same identity. I challenge you to find even one other person on this board who agrees with you on this point. In any event, this question refers to Maia at the time of their entrance into Arda. So if you need to nit pick and say it was Olorin and not Gandalf, that's your business. But Telchar totally got it right. - Maglor </p>

06-01-2001, 08:28 AM	#87
Maglor68 Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 112	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 21</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Arien By the way Telchar, are you sure about Olorin and Melian? I have to go back and check the books, but I could have sworn according to the Sil they served Nienna and Lorien respectively, not Lorien and Yavanna. As far as Arien is concerned, that was just a guess. In LOTR mythology, I've always associated the four greatest male Valar with the elements: Melkor - Fire Manwe - Air Ulmo - Water Aule - Earth Although this is never specified for Melkor, my assumption comes from 1) his obsession with the Flame Imperishable, and 2) the constant references to him as being a lord of fire (and frost). As Arien IS a fire spirit, I always just assumed that originally she was part of his clan. Later, when he became evil, she was only fire spirit not to join in his rebellion. Perhaps she attached herself to Vana after she left Melkor in the same way that Sauron attached himself to Melkor after he left Aule. Just a theory. - Maglor </p>

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Maglor68 Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 112	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 34</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Tree Was it Bob? Bob the Tree? - Maglor </p>

06-05-2001, 08:24 AM	#92
Grond Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 302	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 286</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> The silmarillion's quiz Hirilorn? </p>

06-08-2001, 04:48 AM	#94
Maglor68 Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 112	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 40</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Next question Grond - you out there, man? </p>

06-08-2001, 07:57 AM	#95
Grond Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 302	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 289</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> The silmarillion's quiz Sorry for the delay, I'm having exams nowadays. I'll make an easy one: what was Ringil? </p>

06-08-2001, 12:10 PM	#96
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Deadnight Chanter Posts: 1230</TD><TD><img src=http://www.webdeveloper.com/animations/bnifiles/firewrk3.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> just like this icon Fingolfin's sword <a href=http://www.geocities.com/gl_century/Heren.html>GeorgeLashkhi</a> </p> __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

06-09-2001, 06:35 AM	#97
Grond Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 302	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 290</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: just like this icon Correct of course. </p>

06-09-2001, 11:24 AM	#98
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Deadnight Chanter Posts: 1237</TD><TD><img src=http://www.webdeveloper.com/animations/bnifiles/firewrk3.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: just like this icon What was the deed for which Isildur was renowned? <a href=http://www.geocities.com/gl_century/Heren.html>GeorgeLashkhi</a> </p> __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

06-10-2001, 05:23 AM	#99
Odysseus819 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 699	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 420</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Isildur Rescuing a fruit of Nimloth. </p>

06-11-2001, 06:18 AM	#100
Maglor68 Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 112	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 43</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Isildur Cutting off Sauron's finger which bore the one ring? - Maglor </p>

06-11-2001, 09:47 PM	#101
The Watcher in the Water Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 159	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 17</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The silmarillion's quiz Didnt he cut off the whole hand of Sauron? </p>