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10-24-2003, 02:30 PM

Its says all speaking people left middle earth to make way for the dominian of men. Elves went to the west but where did dwarves go? Where did everyone else go?

Phervasaion · 10-24-2003, 03:30 PM

I just imagined them to continue liveing in their mines and mountains but im not entirely sure. The only Dwarf that went west, as far as i know, was Gimli who went there with Legolas.

Lord of Angmar · 10-24-2003, 04:20 PM

I do not think, isatri, that it was said that they all left to make way for Men's dominion. After all, JRR Tolkien says in "Concerning Hobbits" that hobbits are still alive in our world, and although they have diminished and will not bear to be seen or head by the Big People, they have not left. If it was the case that all the speaking peoples of Middle Earth did eventually depart, I would imagine that the Dwarves too would go to Valinor and there reside in the Halls of Aule until the Last Battle.

Finwe · 10-25-2003, 11:14 AM

I think the Dwarves diminished in the same way as the Hobbits. It was only when they died, that they went to the halls of Aulë, their maker.

Voralphion · 10-26-2003, 08:00 PM

The dwarves didn't go to Valinor, but eventually died out, possible due to the lack of dwarf women.

THE Ka · 10-26-2003, 08:17 PM

This is a HYPOTHESIS. An educated guess. now, you can disagree or agree for that matter but, let me just type this out.

I think by what i've read in the encyclopedia of Arda (i think i've read it there or somewhere) It says that hobbits could possilby have moved to some part of the Isle of Man due to a myth in that region. The myth speaks about short men who have particularlly large hairy feet and enjoy wine. very much. Idon't know if the Encyclopedia of Arda is correct but, it sounds close to me.

"I think; therefore i am."
- from Anne Rice, Queen of The Damned

Gilbo · 10-29-2003, 12:51 PM

The Dwarves are still among us. If you don't believe me, then go check out the guys hanging around the boiler room. Most of the engineers on my first ship were short men with beards who enjoyed tinkering around with machinery in the depths of the ship. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] P.S. Thye also carried hammers and oily rags [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Hookbill the Goomba · 10-29-2003, 02:08 PM

I agree with the lord of angmar, when he said

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After all, JRR Tolkien says in "Concerning Hobbits" that hobbits are still alive in our world, and although they have diminished and will not bear to be seen or head by the Big People, they have not left.

After all, John Ronald himself said that, and we cannot argue with that. as for the dwarves, I think it says something about them in "the peoples of middle earth" but i will need to look at it... when I get a new copy of it (my old one was destroyed) if anyone has a copy of it, let them speak.

Amarie of the Vanyar · 10-29-2003, 04:10 PM

The quote you are searching for is in this thread [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin...c&f=1&t=003432

10-24-2003, 02:30 PM	#1
isatri Guest Posts: n/a	Speaking people Its says all speaking people left middle earth to make way for the dominian of men. Elves went to the west but where did dwarves go? Where did everyone else go?

10-24-2003, 03:30 PM	#2
Phervasaion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The wilderness of Middle-Earth Posts: 306	I just imagined them to continue liveing in their mines and mountains but im not entirely sure. The only Dwarf that went west, as far as i know, was Gimli who went there with Legolas. __________________ Phervasaion

10-24-2003, 04:20 PM	#3
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	I do not think, isatri, that it was said that they all left to make way for Men's dominion. After all, JRR Tolkien says in "Concerning Hobbits" that hobbits are still alive in our world, and although they have diminished and will not bear to be seen or head by the Big People, they have not left. If it was the case that all the speaking peoples of Middle Earth did eventually depart, I would imagine that the Dwarves too would go to Valinor and there reside in the Halls of Aule until the Last Battle. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

10-25-2003, 11:14 AM	#4
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I think the Dwarves diminished in the same way as the Hobbits. It was only when they died, that they went to the halls of Aulë, their maker. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

10-26-2003, 08:00 PM	#5
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	The dwarves didn't go to Valinor, but eventually died out, possible due to the lack of dwarf women. __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

10-26-2003, 08:17 PM	#6
THE Ka Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: As with the flygja Posts: 1,403	This is a HYPOTHESIS. An educated guess. now, you can disagree or agree for that matter but, let me just type this out. I think by what i've read in the encyclopedia of Arda (i think i've read it there or somewhere) It says that hobbits could possilby have moved to some part of the Isle of Man due to a myth in that region. The myth speaks about short men who have particularlly large hairy feet and enjoy wine. very much. Idon't know if the Encyclopedia of Arda is correct but, it sounds close to me. "I think; therefore i am." - from Anne Rice, Queen of The Damned __________________ Vinur, vinur skilur tú meg? Veitst tú ongan loyniveg? Hevur tú reikað líka sum eg, í endaleysu tokuni?

10-29-2003, 12:51 PM	#7
Gilbo Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: maryland Posts: 34	The Dwarves are still among us. If you don't believe me, then go check out the guys hanging around the boiler room. Most of the engineers on my first ship were short men with beards who enjoyed tinkering around with machinery in the depths of the ship. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] P.S. Thye also carried hammers and oily rags [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

10-29-2003, 04:10 PM	#9
Amarie of the Vanyar Wight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Valinor Posts: 215	The quote you are searching for is in this thread [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin...c&f=1&t=003432 __________________ But it is said that not until that hour had such cold thoughts ruled Finrod; for indeed she whom he had loved was Amarië of the Vanyar, and she went not with him into exile.