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LordPhillock · 03-15-2014, 12:44 PM

I fully appreciate your own willingness, indeed!

Nerwen · 03-26-2014, 07:08 PM

Nice riffing!

Lotrelf · 03-30-2014, 02:13 AM

And people still defend PJ's films. That's all I can say.

LordPhillock · 03-31-2014, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Nice riffing!

hooray, someone actually looked at it! I'm glad you liked it

Zigûr · 10-20-2014, 09:11 AM

I know no one's posted in this thread recently but I didn't think this was worth starting a new one for.

Supposedly it's revealed on the Extended Edition Blu-Ray (in the bonus material I suppose) that that ludicrous scene in this film where Smaug was chasing the Dwarves all around Erebor was one of the things added in after they'd shot the original two films when they decided to pad it out to three.

No wonder it feels so tacked on and the ending is such a cop-out (Smaug leaves to attack Lake-Town for no discernible reason when he could have deep-fried the majority of Thorin and Company right then and there).

What really astounds me, however, is something that struck me when watching 'An Unexpected Journey' too. This film went for two hours and forty-one minutes. They can't have filmed that much extra material after the three-part decision was made. That would mean that even before the 'trilogy' decision, they probably had enough material to make three films anyway, probably one and a half to two hours each. But no, they're the successors to Peter Jacksons 'The Lord of the Rings,' so they have to go for nearly three hours each because that's just how long a 'Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings film' has to go for. Obviously shorter films would make it harder to justify a trilogy as well, even if they actually already had enough material. So that's how we ended up with all this filler. The original excuse, that they had so much anyway that they thought it was better to make three films rather than two, surely doesn't hold up when it's outright stated that turning it into a trilogy wasn't about saving material from the cutting room floor but actually involved producing more padding to artificially extend the runtime.

I think this is what Baudrillard called Pure Simulation.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-22-2014, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Zigûr

I think this is what Baudrillard called Pure Simulation.

And it's also what PJ would call Pure Silmarillion. (Let's hope we never see that day...)

Zigûr · 10-23-2014, 11:58 PM

I see the new one is bearing the tagline 'The Defining Chapter.'

What were the other chapters then? Indefinite?

IxnaY AintsaY · 10-24-2014, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Zigûr

I see the new one is bearing the tagline 'The Defining Chapter.'

What were the other chapters then? Indefinite?

They sure felt nearly indefinite.

Galadriel55 · 10-24-2014, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Zigûr

I see the new one is bearing the tagline 'The Defining Chapter.'

Ah, so they finally admit that they're really going at a rate of a chapter a film.

Smug the Fabulous · 10-26-2014, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Ah, so they finally admit that they're really going at a rate of a chapter a film.

I can imagine in another world, there's a Peter Jackson who is mad enough to make a three-hour movie out of each of The Hobbit's 19 chapters.

tom the eldest · 10-28-2014, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuor in Gondolin

Thanks to Aganzir review. I was leaning towards not wasting time on Hobbit Ii and III after seeing the awful Hobbit I. PJ continues his devolution.
I actually gave FotR, upon reflection, an A- (despite some silly and unnecessary changes/omissions), TTT a C+, RotK a C-, Hobbit Part I an F. Hobbit actually wasn't awful until up until the trolls, then PJ got sillier and sillier. Instead of a believable book tale of Gandalf turning lights out, slaying the Great Goblin, and being a reguard with Thorin for the escape you had the absurd Goblin sizes, rediculously overblown Goblintown, impossible escapes of Thorin and Co....
No need to waste time and money on PJ's failed Hobbit. I'll stick with the 1977 Rankin/Bass version until a reasonable production of The Hobbit is done.

(From Wikipedia):

Or maybe the 1966 12-minute long version?

LordPhillock · 11-10-2014, 11:30 PM

if anyone still cares - I just had to take a look at the "extended edition", and doing so - as is our unholy tradition until next November - we also recorded another commentary of me and two of my mates seeing it for the first time ever.
For those who have a morbid curiosity about what new surprise awaits, I'd love it if you checked it out.

Rest assured, I was not ready for Thrain's wilhelm scream.

Tar-Jêx · 11-12-2014, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LordPhillock

if anyone still cares - I just had to take a look at the "extended edition", and doing so - as is our unholy tradition until next November - we also recorded another commentary of me and two of my mates seeing it for the first time ever.
For those who have a morbid curiosity about what new surprise awaits, I'd love it if you checked it out.

Rest assured, I was not ready for Thrain's wilhelm scream.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Nerwen · 11-12-2014, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LordPhillock

if anyone still cares - I just had to take a look at the "extended edition", and doing so - as is our unholy tradition until next November - we also recorded another commentary of me and two of my mates seeing it for the first time ever.
For those who have a morbid curiosity about what new surprise awaits, I'd love it if you checked it out.

Rest assured, I was not ready for Thrain's wilhelm scream.

Okay, watched it. Again, nice riffing.

And yeah, the whole Thrain-business is just wierd.

Smug the Fabulous · 11-21-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LordPhillock

if anyone still cares - I just had to take a look at the "extended edition", and doing so - as is our unholy tradition until next November - we also recorded another commentary of me and two of my mates seeing it for the first time ever.
For those who have a morbid curiosity about what new surprise awaits, I'd love it if you checked it out.

Well, I still haven't seen The Desolation of Smaug and know about the changes they did, like the thing with Tauriel and Kili and so on...but this...THIS!!!
I honestly did not think these movies could get worse than the naked Dwarves in An Unexpected Journey until hearing the word "bollocks" and seeing Stephen Fry munching on the above-mentioned body parts...

Dear, dear me. I need a lie down.

Tar-Jêx · 11-21-2014, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Smug the Fabulous

Well, I still haven't seen The Desolation of Smaug and know about the changes they did, like the thing with Tauriel and Kili and so on...but this...THIS!!!
I honestly did not think these movies could get worse than the naked Dwarves in An Unexpected Journey until hearing the word "bollocks" and seeing Stephen Fry munching on the above-mentioned body parts...

Dear, dear me. I need a lie down.

I don't think anything could be more disgusting and cringe worthy than the Tauriel x Kili romance subplot.

Inziladun · 11-21-2014, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tar-Jêx

I don't think anything could be more disgusting and cringe worthy than the Tauriel x Kili romance subplot.

Ahem.

Tar-Jêx · 11-22-2014, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Ahem.

-OH GOD-

I didn't want to remember that! In fact, I completely erased it from my memory.
Thanks, Inziladun.

Nerwen · 11-06-2015, 06:39 AM

Did you know Lord Phillock and friends have riffed the final one? A couple of months ago, actually. Check it out, they're pretty funny.

Faramir Jones · 11-06-2015, 09:08 AM

Inziladun and Tar-Jêx, it could have been Galadriel and Kili...

03-26-2014, 07:08 PM	#162
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Nice riffing! __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

03-30-2014, 02:13 AM	#163
Lotrelf Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 265	And people still defend PJ's films. That's all I can say. __________________ A short saying oft contains much wisdom. ~Sophocles

10-20-2014, 09:11 AM	#165
Zigûr Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 785	I know no one's posted in this thread recently but I didn't think this was worth starting a new one for. Supposedly it's revealed on the Extended Edition Blu-Ray (in the bonus material I suppose) that that ludicrous scene in this film where Smaug was chasing the Dwarves all around Erebor was one of the things added in after they'd shot the original two films when they decided to pad it out to three. No wonder it feels so tacked on and the ending is such a cop-out (Smaug leaves to attack Lake-Town for no discernible reason when he could have deep-fried the majority of Thorin and Company right then and there). What really astounds me, however, is something that struck me when watching 'An Unexpected Journey' too. This film went for two hours and forty-one minutes. They can't have filmed that much extra material after the three-part decision was made. That would mean that even before the 'trilogy' decision, they probably had enough material to make three films anyway, probably one and a half to two hours each. But no, they're the successors to Peter Jacksons 'The Lord of the Rings,' so they have to go for nearly three hours each because that's just how long a 'Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings film' has to go for. Obviously shorter films would make it harder to justify a trilogy as well, even if they actually already had enough material. So that's how we ended up with all this filler. The original excuse, that they had so much anyway that they thought it was better to make three films rather than two, surely doesn't hold up when it's outright stated that turning it into a trilogy wasn't about saving material from the cutting room floor but actually involved producing more padding to artificially extend the runtime. I think this is what Baudrillard called Pure Simulation. __________________ "Since the evening of that day we have journeyed from the shadow of Tol Brandir." "On foot?" cried Éomer.

10-23-2014, 11:58 PM	#167
Zigûr Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 785	I see the new one is bearing the tagline 'The Defining Chapter.' What were the other chapters then? Indefinite? __________________ "Since the evening of that day we have journeyed from the shadow of Tol Brandir." "On foot?" cried Éomer.

11-06-2015, 06:39 AM	#179
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Did you know Lord Phillock and friends have riffed the final one? A couple of months ago, actually. Check it out, they're pretty funny. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

03-15-2014, 12:44 PM	#161
LordPhillock Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 33	I fully appreciate your own willingness, indeed!

11-10-2014, 11:30 PM	#172
LordPhillock Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 33	if anyone still cares - I just had to take a look at the "extended edition", and doing so - as is our unholy tradition until next November - we also recorded another commentary of me and two of my mates seeing it for the first time ever. For those who have a morbid curiosity about what new surprise awaits, I'd love it if you checked it out. Rest assured, I was not ready for Thrain's wilhelm scream.

11-06-2015, 09:08 AM	#180
Faramir Jones Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lonely Isle Posts: 706	Galadriel and Kili? Inziladun and Tar-Jêx, it could have been Galadriel and Kili...