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Gollum · 01-18-2003, 11:39 PM

It says in the beginning of the books that Bilbo plays with his cousins, and his favorite was Frodo. But Bilbo suddenly becomes Frodo's uncle. Which is he???

Lady Ancalima · 01-18-2003, 11:42 PM

Well if it said they were cousins in the book, I would expect they are cousins. After all, the book is the basis of the movie. They probably screwed it up in the movie... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Lady Ancalima · 01-18-2003, 11:45 PM

By the way, welcome to the barrow downs!

Gollum · 01-18-2003, 11:45 PM

I know, but they say Bilbo is Frodo's Uncle in the book, too. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Gollum · 01-18-2003, 11:46 PM

and thanks! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

lord of dor-lomin · 01-18-2003, 11:49 PM

I believe the uncle-nephew thing was just what they called each other, like endearing terms. There's a couple of older couples I know that I've always called Uncle__ and Aunt__ , but they're not really related to me.

Gollum · 01-19-2003, 12:06 AM

....oh. *embarrased grin*

Beren87 · 01-19-2003, 12:18 AM

Hmm, well, Bilbo was son of Bungo who was in turn son of Mungo, brother to Largo, who's son was Fosco, who's son in turn was Drogo, who's son was Frodo! So, as can be seen, they are cousins. It could be said that Bilbo in a way "adopted" frodo though, naming him his heir and all.

[ January 19, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 01-19-2003, 12:21 AM

Well, it was like lord of dor-lomin said. But also, Bilbo was officially Frodo's cousin. But when Bilbo 'adopted' Frodo, it was like Bilbo became Frodo's dad. But if you were cousins, it would sound wierd calling each other father/son. So, it was uncle/nephew. Uncle's can have very fatherly qualities to them, but it also means they are not the father. And it has to do with age too. I have cousins who are about 20 years older than me. We call each other uncle/nephew because it seems better like that.

Gollum · 01-19-2003, 12:28 AM

Wow. That's really confusing, but I think I get it! I wouldn't last as a hobbit.... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Lily Ahern · 01-19-2003, 09:13 AM

Bilbo in fact is Frodo's uncle and cousin Hobbits have very complicated family trees as you know nearly everyone in the shire is someway related or connected to each other.
welcome by the way

eg"frodo is my second cousin once removed on my mothers side and my third cousin twice removed on my father's side" [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-19-2003, 10:17 AM

Yep, there is a lot of 'family intermarrying' between Hobbits, Elves and the Dunedain. (2nd cousins and more.)

01-18-2003, 11:39 PM	#1
Gollum Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12	um... Help? It says in the beginning of the books that Bilbo plays with his cousins, and his favorite was Frodo. But Bilbo suddenly becomes Frodo's uncle. Which is he??? __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!!! "oops"

01-18-2003, 11:42 PM	#2
Lady Ancalima Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2002 Location: Born in Rivendell; living currenty in Minas Tirith. Posts: 19	Well if it said they were cousins in the book, I would expect they are cousins. After all, the book is the basis of the movie. They probably screwed it up in the movie... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ >>--------> What if Frodo was allergic to Lembas?

01-18-2003, 11:45 PM	#3
Lady Ancalima Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2002 Location: Born in Rivendell; living currenty in Minas Tirith. Posts: 19	By the way, welcome to the barrow downs! __________________ >>--------> What if Frodo was allergic to Lembas?

01-18-2003, 11:45 PM	#4
Gollum Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12	I know, but they say Bilbo is Frodo's Uncle in the book, too. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!!! "oops"

01-18-2003, 11:46 PM	#5
Gollum Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12	and thanks! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!!! "oops"

01-18-2003, 11:49 PM	#6
lord of dor-lomin Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: dor-lomin, of course Posts: 167	I believe the uncle-nephew thing was just what they called each other, like endearing terms. There's a couple of older couples I know that I've always called Uncle__ and Aunt__ , but they're not really related to me. __________________ I used to be indecisive. Now, I'm not so sure.

01-19-2003, 12:06 AM	#7
Gollum Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12	....oh. embarrased grin __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!!! "oops"

01-19-2003, 12:18 AM	#8
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Hmm, well, Bilbo was son of Bungo who was in turn son of Mungo, brother to Largo, who's son was Fosco, who's son in turn was Drogo, who's son was Frodo! So, as can be seen, they are cousins. It could be said that Bilbo in a way "adopted" frodo though, naming him his heir and all. [ January 19, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

01-19-2003, 12:21 AM	#9
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Well, it was like lord of dor-lomin said. But also, Bilbo was officially Frodo's cousin. But when Bilbo 'adopted' Frodo, it was like Bilbo became Frodo's dad. But if you were cousins, it would sound wierd calling each other father/son. So, it was uncle/nephew. Uncle's can have very fatherly qualities to them, but it also means they are not the father. And it has to do with age too. I have cousins who are about 20 years older than me. We call each other uncle/nephew because it seems better like that. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

01-19-2003, 12:28 AM	#10
Gollum Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12	Wow. That's really confusing, but I think I get it! I wouldn't last as a hobbit.... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!!! "oops"

01-19-2003, 09:13 AM	#11
Lily Ahern Pile O'Bones Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Rivendell, cork Posts: 20	Bilbo in fact is Frodo's uncle and cousin Hobbits have very complicated family trees as you know nearly everyone in the shire is someway related or connected to each other. welcome by the way eg"frodo is my second cousin once removed on my mothers side and my third cousin twice removed on my father's side" [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ lady Alakmundoiel of rivendell

01-19-2003, 10:17 AM	#12
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Yep, there is a lot of 'family intermarrying' between Hobbits, Elves and the Dunedain. (2nd cousins and more.) __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone