Durin's Axe - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Einarr · 07-29-2014, 12:46 PM

What happened to Durin's Axe after it was lost in TA 2989? I'm not too sure if anything was written by Tolkien about it, and I wanted to see if you all knew anything about it.

Inziladun · 07-29-2014, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Einarr

What happened to Durin's Axe after it was lost in TA 2989? I'm not too sure if anything was written by Tolkien about it, and I wanted to see if you all knew anything about it.

Since 2989 was, according to the Tale of Years, when Balin and his followers founded their colony in Moria, I assume you're referring to the "Durin's Axe" mention in the Book of Mazarbul.

I think that was probably a symbolic reference on the part of the book entry's author to reflect some heroic deed of a Dwarf in the fighting there with the Orcs. I doubt any actual axe owned by Durin was present.

And welcome to the Downs!

Einarr · 07-30-2014, 11:49 AM

Thanks for the warm greetings! That's an interesting stance on the Axe. I've been trying to do some deeper research on it. Hopefully I'll find something.

Aganzir · 07-31-2014, 03:45 AM

Welcome to the Downs, Einarr! It's always good to see people who are interested in Dwarves.

I suppose Durin's Axe is one object among many in Tolkien's writings that's mentioned but pretty much disappears afterwards. If you do find something please let us know though!

Zigûr · 07-31-2014, 11:28 AM

Interestingly the online encyclopedias seem to like claiming that Balin's expedition recovered Durin's Axe, but all Gandalf says is "I can read no more for a long way... except the word gold, and Durin's Axe and something helm."

For all we know, the book said "We were unable to find Durin's Axe," or as Inzil has suggested, "Durin's Axe" may not have even referred to a particular object. I think people like the idea of Balin swinging this impressive heirloom, but it seems to me like it can't be read decisively either way. Perhaps it is possible that the "helm" referred to might be Durin's actual crown (as opposed to the one made of stars) but that's altogether conjectural. I suppose if the Dwarves did find Durin's Axe, it's possible that either the orcs took it back or it was buried with Balin.

It's an interesting inclusion given that while we hear a good deal about Dwarf-made weapons of note, especially those forged by Telchar, I believe this is one of the only if not the only instance of what might be a specifically identified weapon used by the Dwarves themselves (as opposed to, say, Gimli's axe). One imagines it might have been an heirloom of Durin's line. In any event, unlike the Last of the Seven, it did not escape Moria with Thráin I. If there was such an axe, presumably Náin I had it with him when he was slain by the Balrog.

07-29-2014, 12:46 PM	#1
Einarr Newly Deceased Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Khazad-dûm Posts: 3	Durin's Axe What happened to Durin's Axe after it was lost in TA 2989? I'm not too sure if anything was written by Tolkien about it, and I wanted to see if you all knew anything about it. __________________ "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness; I love only that which they defend." - Faramir

07-30-2014, 11:49 AM	#3
Einarr Newly Deceased Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Khazad-dûm Posts: 3	Thanks for the warm greetings! That's an interesting stance on the Axe. I've been trying to do some deeper research on it. Hopefully I'll find something. __________________ "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness; I love only that which they defend." - Faramir

07-31-2014, 03:45 AM	#4
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Welcome to the Downs, Einarr! It's always good to see people who are interested in Dwarves. I suppose Durin's Axe is one object among many in Tolkien's writings that's mentioned but pretty much disappears afterwards. If you do find something please let us know though! __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

07-31-2014, 11:28 AM	#5
Zigûr Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 785	Interestingly the online encyclopedias seem to like claiming that Balin's expedition recovered Durin's Axe, but all Gandalf says is "I can read no more for a long way... except the word gold, and Durin's Axe and something helm." For all we know, the book said "We were unable to find Durin's Axe," or as Inzil has suggested, "Durin's Axe" may not have even referred to a particular object. I think people like the idea of Balin swinging this impressive heirloom, but it seems to me like it can't be read decisively either way. Perhaps it is possible that the "helm" referred to might be Durin's actual crown (as opposed to the one made of stars) but that's altogether conjectural. I suppose if the Dwarves did find Durin's Axe, it's possible that either the orcs took it back or it was buried with Balin. It's an interesting inclusion given that while we hear a good deal about Dwarf-made weapons of note, especially those forged by Telchar, I believe this is one of the only if not the only instance of what might be a specifically identified weapon used by the Dwarves themselves (as opposed to, say, Gimli's axe). One imagines it might have been an heirloom of Durin's line. In any event, unlike the Last of the Seven, it did not escape Moria with Thráin I. If there was such an axe, presumably Náin I had it with him when he was slain by the Balrog. __________________ "Since the evening of that day we have journeyed from the shadow of Tol Brandir." "On foot?" cried Éomer. Last edited by Zigûr; 07-31-2014 at 11:31 AM.