Frodo and Boromir - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lady Eowyn · 10-10-2000, 11:44 AM

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One of the least parts I like in the books is, that boromir could never apologize to Frodo for his attack on Amon hen.
Did Frodo forgive Boromir?? He didn't sound too sad when he heard about his death.
So, what are your thoughts. Did he forgive him???

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Re: Frodo and Boromir

Lady Eowyn! Where have you been? You've been missed!

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Lady Eowyn · 10-10-2000, 02:16 PM

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Re: Frodo and Boromir

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Re: Frodo and Boromir

Of course he forgave Boromir! Frodo was kind enough to forgive even Gollum, after all he'd done to him. And the reason that Frodo didn't sound too sad when he heard about Boromir's death is, that Frodo never displayed his emotions around people, so whatever feelings he had, he'd rather keep them to himself.

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stone of vision · 05-08-2002, 12:05 PM

Solicitude might be the feeling Frodo had when he learned about Boromir's death.
Those time wasn't the time of forgiveness yet.
I have the feeling that Frodo felt fear and concerned about Boromir, not really fear for the man himself, but fear for what he could become with the influence of the ring, making grow even more his fright of the ring's power thus for the safety and the being of the fellowship.

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Sweatpea Knotwise · 07-24-2002, 01:30 AM

Faramir: Were you a friend of Boromir?
Frodo: Yes, I was his friend, for my part.
Faramir: Then you would grieve to learn that Boromir is dead?
Frodo: I would grieve indeed.

I am prone to think Frodo had readily forgiven Boromir, since he had begun to understand the corruptive influence of the ring, and, in his humility, could probably see himself succumbing as well. I am sure Frodo's empathy was not limited to Gollum alone.

[ July 24, 2002: Message edited by: Sweatpea Knotwise ]

Anunia · 07-24-2002, 01:46 AM

I am sure that Frodo would forgive Boromir. Maybe when he was attacked by Boromir he was very shocked... That made him to take the decision to leave the Fellowship. At the moment maybe he was very angry, but later, when he realised the evil power of the Ring, he forgave Boromir and understood him.

Kettle of fish · 07-24-2002, 01:50 AM

Despite his words, I still feel that Frodo sounds a little resentful at that stage.

Sweatpea Knotwise · 07-24-2002, 02:11 AM

At the time, Frodo was probably feeling many emotions.

He had just been captured by a band strangers who may or may not mean him harm.
He was being interrogated.
He was practically accused of murdering Boromir.
He's not sure of the veracity of Faramir's words.

I think under the circumstances, keeping his thoughts and emotions hidden would be a smart move.

Anunia · 07-24-2002, 06:08 AM

I agree entirely with Sweatpea. Also Frodo, didn't know if Faramir was telling the truth about Boromir's death.

Iargwath · 07-25-2002, 02:54 AM

I think frodo would have forgave Boromir. After all his attack was b/c of the ring, so it wasnt entirely Boromir's fault. He wouldnt have done anything if it wasnt for the ring [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

doug*platypus · 02-14-2003, 04:56 AM

Being his brother, Faramir is able to make up for the failure of Boromir. Which he does fully. Boromir also atones by giving his life for Frodo's friends. He never gets a chance to apologise to Frodo, but the readers can tell that he is truly sorry and has made up for it as best he could.

Frodo is a very forgiving kind of guy, and even at the time he acknowledges that Boromir is not himself (or have I been movieised?). And half the reason for Frodo's going is to protect the rest of the Fellowship from temptation. I don't think he ever blames Boromir for his behaviour.

Denethor on the other hand is never redeemed. Luckily Faramir gets rescued.

Selmo · 02-14-2003, 05:56 AM

When he heard of Boromir's death, Frodo's first though was not for Boromir but for his dear friends, Merry and Pippin. If Boromir, the strongest of the Fellowship, had been killed, then it was likely that all of them had perished.
His concern for his closest friends would have masked any feelings he had for Boromir.

Aratlithiel · 02-14-2003, 10:14 AM

I don't think Frodo felt there was anything to forgive - he knew very well what caused Boromir's downfall. I doubt he ever felt anything but grief and pity over the fall of one he considered very noble. It would seem that by the time Faramir makes his revelation that Frodo has already mourned Boromir's spiritual death long before he learns of his physical one. One has to keep in mind the type of character Tolkien paints in Frodo - can anyone imagine this guy bearing a grudge?

Lathriel · 02-17-2003, 11:55 AM

I totally agree with you Aratlithiel. Also what happened to Boromir must have upset Frodo because it showed what would happen to his companions if he stayed.

XPhial · 02-17-2003, 03:23 PM

Frodo's response when Sam wants to come with him always seems to me to indicate he is more fearful that his friends will fall to the ring than his fear of Mordor itself. From this I have always thought that he pities Boromir rather than hating him. I think he was, rightfully, frightened of him, however.

02-24-2003, 07:03 AM

Well as with all who are tested "by" Frodo or any ringbearer Boromor goes through his torment and the ring talks to him why the little hobbit is not the best bearer or that with the ring he could show his father that he can or even that he could take up the fight with Sauron. It is malice, hatred and all evil so every chance it could take it would try to convince a weak in mind to take up the ring and claim it as his own. This could probably be discussed by many and agreed upon if not the ring is at hand. As we see it influence Maia as well as all ohter at Elronds "meeting". It lures Gandalf, Aragorn and Galadriel but they can resist its calling. Boromir cannot at first but he does come to and end when he has accepted Frodo as the true ring bearer for the mission however late it is for his own sake.

Also Frodo if anyone knows what is on Boromirs mind. He alone is the one who can see the power of the ring both from using it and bearing it. He does forgive Gollum, of course he forgives Boromir. Please do not say that he does not since anything other than that is "folly" as Boromir himself would have said.

Magnus

Elfchick7 · 04-06-2003, 06:52 AM

I totally agree with Hulle. I couldn't possibly imagine Frodo not forgiving Borimir. The Frodo I picture is very kind and understanding. And definately would not hold a grudge against an evil powered by the one ring.

Morwen Tindomerel · 04-06-2003, 09:19 AM

Frodo has regarded Boromir as 'lost' since their encounter on Amon Hen and grieved for it. In a way it's almost a relief to hear Boromir is dead, he can do no more harm and it's a merciful release for him.

On the other hand Frodo's head must be full of appalling conjectures over just *how* Boromir came to die. A fight between the Company and its fallen member must have seemed a very likely possibility. Still Faramir's account must have been reassuring to a degree - the Orc weapons suggesting an exterior enemy.

Frodo must have been very relieved to learn the real circumstances of Boromir's death, and that he had repented and died free of the Ring's influence.

Gandalf_theGrey · 04-23-2003, 12:01 AM

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Hail Morwen Tindomerel,

Well met! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Of all the views in this discussion, yours most closely resonate with mine, and are expressed with a remarkable combination of nuanced eloquence and clear forthrightness.

To wonder with concern about the fate of separated companions is just the kind of noble trait Frodo's strength of character is capable of. Boromir's struggle being an all-too-understandable one appears to assist as a whetstone for the kind of pity and patience with which Frodo treats, for example, Gollum.

At your Service,

Gandalf the Grey

Morwen Tindomerel · 04-23-2003, 08:46 AM

Thank you very much for those kind words, Gandalf the Grey.

HCIsland · 04-23-2003, 10:14 AM

I agree with most of the posts here. I can't imagine how Frodo cannot forgive Boromir. When he learned of Boromir's death there must of been a lot of conflicting emotions going on within him. One would have been concern for the rest of the Fellowship but certainly another would have been fear, especially considering he was now in the hands of another man who he would soon learn was Boromir's brother (I think I have the order of events right). Fear that the same thing was going to happen to Faramir, or for that matter Sam, could not have been to far from his mind.

H.C.

Lotrelf · 03-08-2014, 11:30 AM

I agree with most of the posts here. When Frodo finds out about Boromir's death, there must be many thoughts inside his head. He was being interrogated by the brother of the Man who tried to seize the One Ring from him. After being tormented by the Ring for months, coming to know Boromir's dead, his own cousins and all. He needed to be strong very much.

And I agree with those who said Fro cannot hold grudges against anyone, and especially Boromir. Cuz now he himself has realized the evil power of the Ring.
Well, he forgave Gollum, and Saruman so it is obvious from his part to forgive Boromir.

10-10-2000, 11:44 AM	#1
Lady Eowyn Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 98	Frodo and Boromir <font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 14</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> One of the least parts I like in the books is, that boromir could never apologize to Frodo for his attack on Amon hen. Did Frodo forgive Boromir?? He didn't sound too sad when he heard about his death. So, what are your thoughts. Did he forgive him??? And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is,has left the path of wisdom</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000002>RKittle</A>  <IMG SRC=http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/oneringicon.gif BORDER=0 WIDTH=10 HEIGHT=10> at: 10/10/00 2:16:26 pm

10-10-2000, 01:47 PM	#2
red Spirit of Mischief Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Land of the free and home of the brave Posts: 366	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 44</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Frodo and Boromir Lady Eowyn! Where have you been? You've been missed! -red PS I'll get back to Frodo and Boromir later. <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> </p> __________________ "Cats are like greatness: Some people are born into cat-loving families, some achieve cats, and some have cats thrust upon them." -William H. A. Carr

10-10-2000, 02:16 PM	#3
Lady Eowyn Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 98	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 16</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Frodo and Boromir I was a little too busy and sick. but I'm back to stay <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> (ooooh, you're already a skeletto...lolol) And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is,has left the path of wisdom</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000065>Lady Eowyn</A>  <IMG SRC=www.ezboard.com.ezgfx/gicons/black_magentaspot.gif BORDER=0 WIDTH=10 HEIGHT=10> at: 10/10/00 4:16:53 pm

05-08-2002, 12:05 PM	#5
stone of vision Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: France Posts: 69	Solicitude might be the feeling Frodo had when he learned about Boromir's death. Those time wasn't the time of forgiveness yet. I have the feeling that Frodo felt fear and concerned about Boromir, not really fear for the man himself, but fear for what he could become with the influence of the ring, making grow even more his fright of the ring's power thus for the safety and the being of the fellowship. Greetings [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ silmarillien All that is gold doesn't glitter. ********************************* Nee, ai**ara Dare mo ga konna kodoku ni naru no?

07-24-2002, 01:30 AM	#6
Sweatpea Knotwise Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 17	Faramir: Were you a friend of Boromir? Frodo: Yes, I was his friend, for my part. Faramir: Then you would grieve to learn that Boromir is dead? Frodo: I would grieve indeed. I am prone to think Frodo had readily forgiven Boromir, since he had begun to understand the corruptive influence of the ring, and, in his humility, could probably see himself succumbing as well. I am sure Frodo's empathy was not limited to Gollum alone. [ July 24, 2002: Message edited by: Sweatpea Knotwise ] __________________ Single Hobbit Lass seeks Single Hobbit Lad, enjoys quiet evenings at home and the occasional spot of Old Toby. Talent: a killer seedcake. Contact “The ‘Pea” at Willowrot Row, Michel Delving.

10-11-2000, 12:57 PM	#4
Banazir32 Guest Posts: n/a	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Newly Deceased Posts: 1</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Frodo and Boromir Of course he forgave Boromir! Frodo was kind enough to forgive even Gollum, after all he'd done to him. And the reason that Frodo didn't sound too sad when he heard about Boromir's death is, that Frodo never displayed his emotions around people, so whatever feelings he had, he'd rather keep them to himself. </p>

07-24-2002, 01:46 AM	#7
Anunia Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 60	I am sure that Frodo would forgive Boromir. Maybe when he was attacked by Boromir he was very shocked... That made him to take the decision to leave the Fellowship. At the moment maybe he was very angry, but later, when he realised the evil power of the Ring, he forgave Boromir and understood him. __________________ Flowers are the alphabet of angels, whereby they write on the hills and fields mysterious truths. Dream the impossible, because dreams do come true.

07-24-2002, 01:50 AM	#8
Kettle of fish Wight Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 114	Despite his words, I still feel that Frodo sounds a little resentful at that stage. __________________ The inimical is often more instructive than the benign. Between screams, try to pay attention.

07-24-2002, 02:11 AM	#9
Sweatpea Knotwise Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 17	At the time, Frodo was probably feeling many emotions. He had just been captured by a band strangers who may or may not mean him harm. He was being interrogated. He was practically accused of murdering Boromir. He's not sure of the veracity of Faramir's words. I think under the circumstances, keeping his thoughts and emotions hidden would be a smart move. __________________ Single Hobbit Lass seeks Single Hobbit Lad, enjoys quiet evenings at home and the occasional spot of Old Toby. Talent: a killer seedcake. Contact “The ‘Pea” at Willowrot Row, Michel Delving.

07-24-2002, 06:08 AM	#10
Anunia Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 60	I agree entirely with Sweatpea. Also Frodo, didn't know if Faramir was telling the truth about Boromir's death. __________________ Flowers are the alphabet of angels, whereby they write on the hills and fields mysterious truths. Dream the impossible, because dreams do come true.

07-25-2002, 02:54 AM	#11
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	I think frodo would have forgave Boromir. After all his attack was b/c of the ring, so it wasnt entirely Boromir's fault. He wouldnt have done anything if it wasnt for the ring [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

02-14-2003, 04:56 AM	#12
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Being his brother, Faramir is able to make up for the failure of Boromir. Which he does fully. Boromir also atones by giving his life for Frodo's friends. He never gets a chance to apologise to Frodo, but the readers can tell that he is truly sorry and has made up for it as best he could. Frodo is a very forgiving kind of guy, and even at the time he acknowledges that Boromir is not himself (or have I been movieised?). And half the reason for Frodo's going is to protect the rest of the Fellowship from temptation. I don't think he ever blames Boromir for his behaviour. Denethor on the other hand is never redeemed. Luckily Faramir gets rescued. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

02-14-2003, 05:56 AM	#13
Selmo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Shire (Staffordshire), United Kingdom Posts: 273	When he heard of Boromir's death, Frodo's first though was not for Boromir but for his dear friends, Merry and Pippin. If Boromir, the strongest of the Fellowship, had been killed, then it was likely that all of them had perished. His concern for his closest friends would have masked any feelings he had for Boromir.

02-14-2003, 10:14 AM	#14
Aratlithiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 196	I don't think Frodo felt there was anything to forgive - he knew very well what caused Boromir's downfall. I doubt he ever felt anything but grief and pity over the fall of one he considered very noble. It would seem that by the time Faramir makes his revelation that Frodo has already mourned Boromir's spiritual death long before he learns of his physical one. One has to keep in mind the type of character Tolkien paints in Frodo - can anyone imagine this guy bearing a grudge? __________________ - I must find the Mountain of Fire and cast the thing into the gulf of Doom. Gandalf said so. I do not think I shall ever get there. - Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. - Where are we going?...And why am I in this handbasket?

02-17-2003, 11:55 AM	#15
Lathriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME) Posts: 612	I totally agree with you Aratlithiel. Also what happened to Boromir must have upset Frodo because it showed what would happen to his companions if he stayed. __________________ Back again

02-17-2003, 03:23 PM	#16
XPhial Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here, there, and everywhere. Posts: 24	Frodo's response when Sam wants to come with him always seems to me to indicate he is more fearful that his friends will fall to the ring than his fear of Mordor itself. From this I have always thought that he pities Boromir rather than hating him. I think he was, rightfully, frightened of him, however. __________________ Must we take a life for hateful eyes to glisten once again? For we find ourselves in the same old mess singin' drunken lullabies.

02-24-2003, 07:03 AM	#17
Hulle Guest Posts: n/a	Well as with all who are tested "by" Frodo or any ringbearer Boromor goes through his torment and the ring talks to him why the little hobbit is not the best bearer or that with the ring he could show his father that he can or even that he could take up the fight with Sauron. It is malice, hatred and all evil so every chance it could take it would try to convince a weak in mind to take up the ring and claim it as his own. This could probably be discussed by many and agreed upon if not the ring is at hand. As we see it influence Maia as well as all ohter at Elronds "meeting". It lures Gandalf, Aragorn and Galadriel but they can resist its calling. Boromir cannot at first but he does come to and end when he has accepted Frodo as the true ring bearer for the mission however late it is for his own sake. Also Frodo if anyone knows what is on Boromirs mind. He alone is the one who can see the power of the ring both from using it and bearing it. He does forgive Gollum, of course he forgives Boromir. Please do not say that he does not since anything other than that is "folly" as Boromir himself would have said. Magnus

04-06-2003, 06:52 AM	#18
Elfchick7 Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the Greenwood Posts: 201	I totally agree with Hulle. I couldn't possibly imagine Frodo not forgiving Borimir. The Frodo I picture is very kind and understanding. And definately would not hold a grudge against an evil powered by the one ring. __________________ "Yesterday is history. Tommorow is a mystery. Today is a gift from God. That's why it's called the PRESENT!"

04-06-2003, 09:19 AM	#19
Morwen Tindomerel Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minas Anor or Annuminas the Golden Posts: 187	Frodo has regarded Boromir as 'lost' since their encounter on Amon Hen and grieved for it. In a way it's almost a relief to hear Boromir is dead, he can do no more harm and it's a merciful release for him. On the other hand Frodo's head must be full of appalling conjectures over just how Boromir came to die. A fight between the Company and its fallen member must have seemed a very likely possibility. Still Faramir's account must have been reassuring to a degree - the Orc weapons suggesting an exterior enemy. Frodo must have been very relieved to learn the real circumstances of Boromir's death, and that he had repented and died free of the Ring's influence.

04-23-2003, 12:01 AM	#20
Gandalf_theGrey Visionary Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 633	* a travel-laden figure encircled by rising pipeweed smoke that matches the color of his cloak enters and bows an affable greeting * Hail Morwen Tindomerel, Well met! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Of all the views in this discussion, yours most closely resonate with mine, and are expressed with a remarkable combination of nuanced eloquence and clear forthrightness. To wonder with concern about the fate of separated companions is just the kind of noble trait Frodo's strength of character is capable of. Boromir's struggle being an all-too-understandable one appears to assist as a whetstone for the kind of pity and patience with which Frodo treats, for example, Gollum. At your Service, Gandalf the Grey

04-23-2003, 08:46 AM	#21
Morwen Tindomerel Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minas Anor or Annuminas the Golden Posts: 187	Thank you very much for those kind words, Gandalf the Grey.

04-23-2003, 10:14 AM	#22
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I agree with most of the posts here. I can't imagine how Frodo cannot forgive Boromir. When he learned of Boromir's death there must of been a lot of conflicting emotions going on within him. One would have been concern for the rest of the Fellowship but certainly another would have been fear, especially considering he was now in the hands of another man who he would soon learn was Boromir's brother (I think I have the order of events right). Fear that the same thing was going to happen to Faramir, or for that matter Sam, could not have been to far from his mind. H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

03-08-2014, 11:30 AM	#23
Lotrelf Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 265	I agree with most of the posts here. When Frodo finds out about Boromir's death, there must be many thoughts inside his head. He was being interrogated by the brother of the Man who tried to seize the One Ring from him. After being tormented by the Ring for months, coming to know Boromir's dead, his own cousins and all. He needed to be strong very much. And I agree with those who said Fro cannot hold grudges against anyone, and especially Boromir. Cuz now he himself has realized the evil power of the Ring. Well, he forgave Gollum, and Saruman so it is obvious from his part to forgive Boromir.