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11-15-2012, 02:04 PM | #1 |
Haunting Spirit
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Magic
One thing I've wondered upon:
The Istari--the Five sent--were known as "Wizards". But were there perhaps OTHER Wizard figures, later in history? Albeit much much lesser in power and glory than the Istari...But could one have learned Magic, if it were taught? If Saruman for example had wanted, could he have taught some of his "craft" (magic) to his followers? Or was the ability to use "magic" something only bonded to the power of the spirits of the Istari and the Elves? Could the Blue Wizards, if they indeed fell, have taught magic to their followers? Tolkien hints at those two forming magic cults..... And it is said that the Nazgul, at least some, were Sorcerors in their time, before the Rings were given to them. It just makes me wonder if Magic is simply a thing of the Istari and the Elves, or if it could be learned and mastered by Men? Could a figure such as Merlin have later existed in Middle Earth in ages after the Third, being that Middle Earth is our own history? |
11-15-2012, 03:17 PM | #2 | |
A Voice That Gainsayeth
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As for the question whether Men could learn "magic", for sure. We are told about "sorcery" in the hands of Black Númenoreans, the Mouth of Sauron is said to be a great sorcerer.
The problem is, Men do not seem to have the, let's say, capacity for magic. Usually when they use it, it is something twisted and evil. The sorcerers are all the servants of Sauron or Morgoth; the description of Gondor in the days of its decay, as much as Númenor in its decay, hint at astrologists and alchemists and so on who had tried to preserve their lives through magic. So simply put, "magic" is mostly reserved for the non-human races. Elves, of course, have their own "magic", Dwarves also seem to have some (which seems to rest mostly in enchanting weapons or toys for the children of Dale, although there is this one rather cryptic reference of Thorin's during his talk with Bilbo in Bag End, concerning their vengeance against Smaug that has something to do with curses - not sure what this is supposed to mean, or whether it's only an idiom). Istari use "magic" because they are Maiar, after all, so they are mostly using their innate power (with the possible exception of late Saruman, who is said to had been studying "the arts of the Enemy"). One more note to the word "magic" - and the reason I am using the quotation marks - it would seem that Tolkien tried very hard not to use that word, or to make it clear that magic is a misinterpretation of humans, the word for something that does not exist. It seems so that there was (generally, mostly) only "craft" or "art" (of the Dwarves of Elves), the "power" coming from one's special status (of the Valar or Maiar), and then "sorcery" coming from some evil source (all the Ringwraith and "sorcerers" serving Morgoth/Sauron). "Magic" is a human word that mixes all those up, because humans can't understand these concepts, just like Galadriel had told Sam: Quote:
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