Hobbit concerns.... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Galendor · 09-30-2012, 06:18 PM

In retrospect, I was a bit to harsh in my above criticism of PJ. Parts of the LOTR movies were well done, as I'm sure will be the case with the Hobbit movies. But I do share your concerns.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-30-2012, 08:32 PM

Do we know what it is PJ is adding to the original story?

Will it be stuff from other parts of Tolkiens work, or just pure fanfiction?

Mithalwen · 09-30-2012, 11:38 PM

The Evangeline Lily charater is fan fic (all hail Mary Sue!), the rest is Tolkienif on the level that events such as the White Council are known to have happened but fan fic because we don't have much detail of what happened at White Council meetings or when Gandalf entered Dol Guldur. There is a little in UT I think but I don't think PJ is allowed to use UT.

Morthoron · 10-01-2012, 11:10 AM

Evangeline Lilly
As an elf is quite silly,
But given PJ's predilection
For scripting fan-fiction,
It's all we can expect till he
Writes with conviction,
Or gets convicted -
Whichever the case may be.

MCRmyGirl4eva · 10-01-2012, 03:49 PM

Legolas, I can understand having. But oly as a member of the parties ir part of the group that captures the dwarves. And I thought Gimli was born 10 years AFTER The Hobbit? Is he really going to be in the movie? What. The. Fire truck.

TheMisfortuneTeller · 10-01-2012, 04:36 PM

I simply cannot wait for that magic moment in the darkened theater when I can leap ecstatically from my seat, exclaiming: "Look Everybody! It's Evangeline Lilly from the TV series Lost together with Orlando Bloom from Pirates of the Caribbean!"

Take care what you wish for, Peter Jackson. You just might get it.

Mithalwen · 10-01-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MCRmyGirl4eva

Legolas, I can understand having. But oly as a member of the parties ir part of the group that captures the dwarves. And I thought Gimli was born 10 years AFTER The Hobbit? Is he really going to be in the movie? What. The. Fire truck.

Gimli was alive at the time of the Hobbit but was considered too young to go on the expedition.

William Cloud Hicklin · 10-02-2012, 08:35 AM

And I thought Gimli was born 10 years AFTER The Hobbit? Is he really going to be in the movie?

Gimli was 62, considered still a callow youth in Dwarf terms "although I thought myself ready for anything.". Kili, the youngest of the party, was 77. Thorin was 195 and Gloin 158; interestingly, "old" Balin was years younger than Thorin.

Using a 3.5 multiplier as a very rough guide to human age equivalents, Thorin was 56, Balin 51, Gloin 45, Kili 22 and Gimli a kid of 17.

09-30-2012, 06:18 PM	#1
Galendor Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Mirkwood, NC Posts: 66	In retrospect, I was a bit to harsh in my above criticism of PJ. Parts of the LOTR movies were well done, as I'm sure will be the case with the Hobbit movies. But I do share your concerns. __________________ Time is the mind, the hand that makes (fingers on harpstrings, hero-swords, the acts, the eyes of queens).

09-30-2012, 11:38 PM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,459	The Evangeline Lily charater is fan fic (all hail Mary Sue!), the rest is Tolkienif on the level that events such as the White Council are known to have happened but fan fic because we don't have much detail of what happened at White Council meetings or when Gandalf entered Dol Guldur. There is a little in UT I think but I don't think PJ is allowed to use UT. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-01-2012, 11:10 AM	#4
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,510	Evangeline Lilly As an elf is quite silly, But given PJ's predilection For scripting fan-fiction, It's all we can expect till he Writes with conviction, Or gets convicted - Whichever the case may be. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

10-01-2012, 03:49 PM	#5
MCRmyGirl4eva Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The Elvenking's Halls Posts: 425	Legolas, I can understand having. But oly as a member of the parties ir part of the group that captures the dwarves. And I thought Gimli was born 10 years AFTER The Hobbit? Is he really going to be in the movie? What. The. Fire truck. __________________ "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit..." "'Well, I'm back.' said Sam."

10-01-2012, 04:36 PM	#6
TheMisfortuneTeller Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 63	Getting What They Wished For I simply cannot wait for that magic moment in the darkened theater when I can leap ecstatically from my seat, exclaiming: "Look Everybody! It's Evangeline Lilly from the TV series Lost together with Orlando Bloom from Pirates of the Caribbean!" Take care what you wish for, Peter Jackson. You just might get it. __________________ "If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." -- Tweedledee Last edited by TheMisfortuneTeller; 10-01-2012 at 04:46 PM.

10-02-2012, 08:35 AM	#8
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,324	And I thought Gimli was born 10 years AFTER The Hobbit? Is he really going to be in the movie? Gimli was 62, considered still a callow youth in Dwarf terms "although I thought myself ready for anything.". Kili, the youngest of the party, was 77. Thorin was 195 and Gloin 158; interestingly, "old" Balin was years younger than Thorin. Using a 3.5 multiplier as a very rough guide to human age equivalents, Thorin was 56, Balin 51, Gloin 45, Kili 22 and Gimli a kid of 17. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.