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Ainahithiel of Mirkwood · 12-10-2002, 08:59 PM

Okay, I'm really confused about a few generation and race questions. If anyone could help me out, I'd be internally greatful

What race was Isildur decended from?(was it Men of the West or somthing?)

Aragorn and Arewen are distantly related correct?

Are ents the first born ,or Elves??

PLEASE HELP!!! I beg of you!

eight more days until two towers comes out!!!!!!! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Manwe Sulimo · 12-10-2002, 09:19 PM

1) Isildur was descended from Elros, the first king of Númenor. In turn, Elros was descended from Elu Thingol and Melian, as well as the Fathers of Men.

2) Aragorn is Arwen's sixty-somethingth cousin.

3) Elves are the "firstborn", and were really first. The Ents awoke (allegedly) at the same time (or a tiny bit before). Treebeard is the "oldest being in Middle-earth" only because all the Elves keep getting killed off in wars. Ilúvatar conceived of the Elves before Yavanna conceived of the Ents.

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 12-10-2002, 10:05 PM

Ahh, you're forgetting Tom Bombadil my friend. He was also the oldest living being. He even said it, but Treebeard said he was the oldest...well there's a thread on who is older already, but just wanted to remind you about Tom. Here's a crazy thought: Tom was once an ent, the first in fact, and he was so lonely that he turned himself into whatever he is now. ha [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Neferchoirwen · 12-11-2002, 12:28 AM

The world was created before the Children of the Iluvatar came, which makes sense that the Ents came before the Elves.

Quote:

Here's a crazy thought: Tom was once an ent, the first in fact, and he was so lonely that he turned himself into whatever he is now

lol [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

12-11-2002, 02:29 PM

"Ahh, you're forgetting Tom Bombadil my friend. He was also the oldest living being. Tom was once an ent, the first in fact, and he was so lonely that he turned himself into whatever he is now."

I always thought Tom was a Maia -- doesn't JRRT say so in one of the books? Tom is the subject of the discussion below:
http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin...c&f=2&t=000129

Manwe Sulimo · 12-11-2002, 03:03 PM

If you read more of the "Tom Bombadil" threads, you see compelling arguments that Tom wasn't an Ainu.

And I said the "oldest creature" in quotation marks for a reason....

the witch king · 12-12-2002, 02:50 PM

Didnt the elves wake the ents and teach them to speak? I think they existed befor the elves but as dum beings i.e. trees?

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 12-12-2002, 05:56 PM

Barahir, I did not say, "Ahh, you're forgetting Tom Bombadil my friend. He was also the oldest living being. Tom was once an ent, the first in fact, and he was so lonely that he turned himself into whatever he is now." If youi're going to quote me, you should put the three dots (...) to indicate that you left out part of what I said. I was only joking in case you didn't know. And if you did know and you were joking, then sorry I jumped to conclusions. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Nalyia · 01-23-2003, 09:14 AM

Numeroeans? was that the race you spoke of?

I'm sorry if I spelled it wrong.
[img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-23-2003, 12:58 PM

It is spelled Numenoreans. They were 'higher men'. Read the Silmarillion for further information. It's a great read.

12-10-2002, 08:59 PM	#1
Ainahithiel of Mirkwood Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Helm's Deep Posts: 26	Things that confuse me... so basically everything Okay, I'm really confused about a few generation and race questions. If anyone could help me out, I'd be internally greatful What race was Isildur decended from?(was it Men of the West or somthing?) Aragorn and Arewen are distantly related correct? Are ents the first born ,or Elves?? PLEASE HELP!!! I beg of you! eight more days until two towers comes out!!!!!!! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "Bygones be and lovers part, I'm asking you to leave my heart. Go in peace, harm to none, my new life, has now begun"

12-10-2002, 09:19 PM	#2
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	1) Isildur was descended from Elros, the first king of Númenor. In turn, Elros was descended from Elu Thingol and Melian, as well as the Fathers of Men. 2) Aragorn is Arwen's sixty-somethingth cousin. 3) Elves are the "firstborn", and were really first. The Ents awoke (allegedly) at the same time (or a tiny bit before). Treebeard is the "oldest being in Middle-earth" only because all the Elves keep getting killed off in wars. Ilúvatar conceived of the Elves before Yavanna conceived of the Ents. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-10-2002, 10:05 PM	#3
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Ahh, you're forgetting Tom Bombadil my friend. He was also the oldest living being. He even said it, but Treebeard said he was the oldest...well there's a thread on who is older already, but just wanted to remind you about Tom. Here's a crazy thought: Tom was once an ent, the first in fact, and he was so lonely that he turned himself into whatever he is now. ha [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

12-11-2002, 03:03 PM	#6
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	If you read more of the "Tom Bombadil" threads, you see compelling arguments that Tom wasn't an Ainu. And I said the "oldest creature" in quotation marks for a reason.... __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-12-2002, 02:50 PM	#7
the witch king Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Minas Morgul, Morgul Vale, Mordor Posts: 201	Didnt the elves wake the ents and teach them to speak? I think they existed befor the elves but as dum beings i.e. trees? __________________ 'Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.'~ Che Guevara.

12-11-2002, 02:29 PM	#5
Barahir Guest Posts: n/a	"Ahh, you're forgetting Tom Bombadil my friend. He was also the oldest living being. Tom was once an ent, the first in fact, and he was so lonely that he turned himself into whatever he is now." I always thought Tom was a Maia -- doesn't JRRT say so in one of the books? Tom is the subject of the discussion below: http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin...c&f=2&t=000129

12-12-2002, 05:56 PM	#8
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Barahir, I did not say, "Ahh, you're forgetting Tom Bombadil my friend. He was also the oldest living being. Tom was once an ent, the first in fact, and he was so lonely that he turned himself into whatever he is now." If youi're going to quote me, you should put the three dots (...) to indicate that you left out part of what I said. I was only joking in case you didn't know. And if you did know and you were joking, then sorry I jumped to conclusions. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

01-23-2003, 09:14 AM	#9
Nalyia Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mirkwood / Osgilliath Posts: 11	Numeroeans? was that the race you spoke of? I'm sorry if I spelled it wrong. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ "It is but a shadow and a thought that you love"-Aragorn

01-23-2003, 12:58 PM	#10
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	It is spelled Numenoreans. They were 'higher men'. Read the Silmarillion for further information. It's a great read. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone