Elves pregnancy, how long? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eärendil · 05-26-2002, 03:20 PM

Okay, maybe this isn´t a very good question, but I have been curiuos about it for along time, so I post it anyway..
I read somewhere here(don´t remember what topic and forum) that the pregnancy of Elves is longer than human-pregnancy (that´s say, 9 months), and so I wonder, does anyone know how long is the pregnancy? And as it was longer than a human´s, could this have affected the fact that the Elves never got many children?

Nevfeniel · 05-26-2002, 03:24 PM

It might have affected the number of children Elves had. But I don't know the answer to your other questions. I'm not as learned in Tolkienology as the others here. The only books I have are LotR, The Hobbit, and #4 of The Shaping of Middle Earth.

[ May 26, 2002: Message edited by: Nevfeniel ]

Raefindel · 05-27-2002, 12:06 AM

I have no idea of the length of an elven pregnancy, but as for why they have only a few children, I would guess it is because elves are supposed to have more or better control over their bodies than humans and therefore can choose to become pregnant or not to, while humans have unexpected pregnancies.

Frodo Baggins · 05-27-2002, 03:36 AM

That is true Raefindel, they may be able to choose to become pregnant or not. But I think that (since they were born in the same year) Elladan and Elrohir, the sons of Elrond, are twins. Can Elves have twins?

Raefindel · 05-27-2002, 11:23 AM

Yes, they are indeed twins, Frodo. Someone with more knowledge than me will undoubtedly come up with all the other cases of Elven twins.

Elrian · 05-27-2002, 11:58 AM

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Can Elves have twins?

Yes, not only were the sons of Elrond twins, it ran in their family, Elurid and Elurin were twins they were the brother of Elrond mother. Also Feanor had a set of twins Amras and Amrod.

As for Elven pregnancy, the closest I remember the books coming to this subject was that Idril got pregnant and gave birth the following year to Earendil. So it would seem their gestation period is the same but the age of maturity some have said to be at 50 years of age.

Raefindel · 05-27-2002, 12:22 PM

Thank you Elrain, I knew someone would come up with the answers.

Luinsewiel · 05-27-2002, 02:10 PM

Elrond and Elros where twin brothers too, it really must run in the family!

Hírilamara · 05-27-2002, 02:18 PM

Interesting. I knew about Elladan and Elrohir, and Elrond and Elros, but none of the others.

Elrian · 05-27-2002, 02:22 PM

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Elrond and Elros where twin brothers too, it really must run in the family!

I'm not too sure about that. I think Elros was older, and they are never said to be twins in any book I have. The others are.

Luinsewiel · 05-27-2002, 05:53 PM

Funny, I always thought they were and it says in the Barrow-Downs encycolpedia(sounded that one out all by myself [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] )that they are. I know that the encyclopedia is a work in progress but I don't think they would put something in that they knew was wrong. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Elrian · 05-27-2002, 09:42 PM

In the Index of the Silmarillion under Elrond and Elros it does not state that they are twins, it does for the other sets of twins. Nor does it in any of JRR Tolkiens other books. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Eärendil · 05-28-2002, 11:29 AM

Wow, thanx for all the interesting answers to this, (never thought it would turn to this kind of conversation..) [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Luinsewiel · 05-28-2002, 01:12 PM

sorry, I just typed what I read on the site. I guess they weren't twins then. sorry bout that.

06-03-2002, 03:08 AM

Elves' pregnancy lasts for two years. Most elf-maidens don't make it through 2 years thus less children. Twins are more common in Elves than in humans.

Nevtalathiel · 06-03-2002, 05:05 AM

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Most elf-maidens don't make it through 2 years

Can you explain this, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

Gayahithwen · 06-03-2002, 07:53 AM

To me, that sound just like something taken out of nothing.. No sources, no theories or anything.. simply a statement, which, to me, sounds utterly wrong after what have been said in here..

*Varda* · 06-04-2002, 03:05 PM

Oadanel, can you maybe back that up with something? or give us a reference to one of Tolkien's books or a site that says it? It doesn't sound quite right, i'm a bit doubtful.

Nufaciel · 06-04-2002, 05:27 PM

In Morgoth's Ring, which is the only book I've read that talks of Elven childbirth, childhood, etc. It says that Elves gave birth exactly 1 year later, or very close to the same day of conception, and the day that is remembered each year (their birthday) is the date of their conception. This is in the Laws and Customs section. I can't think of anywhere else this is discussed in the books. Anyone else? I don't know where Oandanel's information came from. I've never seen it.

Elrian · 06-04-2002, 05:34 PM

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Then there was made a great and joyful feast, for Tuor had won the hearts of all that people, save only of Maeglin and his secret following; and there came to pass the second union of Elves and Men

In the Spring of the year after was born in Gondolin Earendil Halfelven, the son of Tuor and Idril Celebrindal.

Earendil may have been Halfelven but his mother was Elven and only carried him for less than a year.

[ June 04, 2002: Message edited by: Elrian ]

Raefindel · 06-04-2002, 08:43 PM

Thank You Nufaciel & Elrian, That was interesting.

05-26-2002, 03:20 PM	#1
Eärendil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor (RtL: 1220 miles) Posts: 562	Elves pregnancy, how long? Okay, maybe this isn´t a very good question, but I have been curiuos about it for along time, so I post it anyway.. I read somewhere here(don´t remember what topic and forum) that the pregnancy of Elves is longer than human-pregnancy (that´s say, 9 months), and so I wonder, does anyone know how long is the pregnancy? And as it was longer than a human´s, could this have affected the fact that the Elves never got many children? __________________ Jag ska aldrig göra dig illa. Inte igen. Åtminstone inte mycket, åtminstone inte hårt. Kommer du ihåg? Då vi fortfarande kunde skratta, le på ett äkta vis. Jag tänker på det ibland. Det smärtar. För aldrig har du väl varit. Längre bort. Från mig.

05-26-2002, 03:24 PM	#2
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	It might have affected the number of children Elves had. But I don't know the answer to your other questions. I'm not as learned in Tolkienology as the others here. The only books I have are LotR, The Hobbit, and #4 of The Shaping of Middle Earth. [ May 26, 2002: Message edited by: Nevfeniel ] __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.

05-27-2002, 12:06 AM	#3
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	I have no idea of the length of an elven pregnancy, but as for why they have only a few children, I would guess it is because elves are supposed to have more or better control over their bodies than humans and therefore can choose to become pregnant or not to, while humans have unexpected pregnancies. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

05-27-2002, 11:23 AM	#5
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	Yes, they are indeed twins, Frodo. Someone with more knowledge than me will undoubtedly come up with all the other cases of Elven twins. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

05-27-2002, 12:22 PM	#7
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	Thank you Elrain, I knew someone would come up with the answers. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

05-27-2002, 03:36 AM	#4
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	That is true Raefindel, they may be able to choose to become pregnant or not. But I think that (since they were born in the same year) Elladan and Elrohir, the sons of Elrond, are twins. Can Elves have twins? __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

05-27-2002, 02:10 PM	#8
Luinsewiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Great Grey-Green Greasy Limpopo River, All Set About With Fever Trees Posts: 57	Elrond and Elros where twin brothers too, it really must run in the family! __________________ Take David Suzuki's nature challenge today ---> www.davidsuzuki.org

05-27-2002, 02:18 PM	#9
Hírilamara Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2002 Location: California Posts: 16	Interesting. I knew about Elladan and Elrohir, and Elrond and Elros, but none of the others. __________________ The probability of someone seeing you is proportional to the stupidity of your action.

05-27-2002, 05:53 PM	#11
Luinsewiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Great Grey-Green Greasy Limpopo River, All Set About With Fever Trees Posts: 57	Funny, I always thought they were and it says in the Barrow-Downs encycolpedia(sounded that one out all by myself [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] )that they are. I know that the encyclopedia is a work in progress but I don't think they would put something in that they knew was wrong. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ Take David Suzuki's nature challenge today ---> www.davidsuzuki.org

05-27-2002, 09:42 PM	#12
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	In the Index of the Silmarillion under Elrond and Elros it does not state that they are twins, it does for the other sets of twins. Nor does it in any of JRR Tolkiens other books. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

05-28-2002, 11:29 AM	#13
Eärendil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor (RtL: 1220 miles) Posts: 562	Wow, thanx for all the interesting answers to this, (never thought it would turn to this kind of conversation..) [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Jag ska aldrig göra dig illa. Inte igen. Åtminstone inte mycket, åtminstone inte hårt. Kommer du ihåg? Då vi fortfarande kunde skratta, le på ett äkta vis. Jag tänker på det ibland. Det smärtar. För aldrig har du väl varit. Längre bort. Från mig.

05-28-2002, 01:12 PM	#14
Luinsewiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Great Grey-Green Greasy Limpopo River, All Set About With Fever Trees Posts: 57	sorry, I just typed what I read on the site. I guess they weren't twins then. sorry bout that. __________________ Take David Suzuki's nature challenge today ---> www.davidsuzuki.org

06-03-2002, 03:08 AM	#15
Oandanel Guest Posts: n/a	Elves' pregnancy lasts for two years. Most elf-maidens don't make it through 2 years thus less children. Twins are more common in Elves than in humans.

06-03-2002, 07:53 AM	#17
Gayahithwen Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The chat-room. Posts: 241	To me, that sound just like something taken out of nothing.. No sources, no theories or anything.. simply a statement, which, to me, sounds utterly wrong after what have been said in here.. __________________ Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away - and barefoot.

06-04-2002, 03:05 PM	#18
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 571	Oadanel, can you maybe back that up with something? or give us a reference to one of Tolkien's books or a site that says it? It doesn't sound quite right, i'm a bit doubtful. __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

06-04-2002, 05:27 PM	#19
Nufaciel Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 133	In Morgoth's Ring, which is the only book I've read that talks of Elven childbirth, childhood, etc. It says that Elves gave birth exactly 1 year later, or very close to the same day of conception, and the day that is remembered each year (their birthday) is the date of their conception. This is in the Laws and Customs section. I can't think of anywhere else this is discussed in the books. Anyone else? I don't know where Oandanel's information came from. I've never seen it. __________________ Member of Pervy Elf Fanciers Anonymous...I need professional help.

06-04-2002, 08:43 PM	#21
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	Thank You Nufaciel & Elrian, That was interesting. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1