Sauron....who is sauron - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

avarrogion · 05-25-2002, 09:15 PM

After reading all the books for the 5th time i still don`t get it...what is Sauron is he a mere man or an astari like Gandalf and Saruman.
Then how did he get his powers?
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Ithaeliel · 05-25-2002, 09:41 PM

He's not an Istari, but he is of the same race as them, the Maiar, the lesser of the Valar, and they as a race must have been powerful. He was a servant of Morgoth, the Great Enemy, and through him he must have learned a lot about power. The One Ring was his tool, and it was very powerful, because it was created by the elves, so he did not have all the power, because the ring was his life force after he was defeated in physical form. If the power had really been his own, he would have survived after the ring was cast into the fires.

And Bilbo's got the ring in his pocket!
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[ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Ithaeliel ]

Elrian · 05-25-2002, 10:58 PM

Sauron was a Maia, The Istari were also Maia. Sauron was seduced into the evil service of Melkor the evil Vala in the first age. You can learn more about Sauron and Melkor in the Silmarillion, an excellent read.

Sauron forged the One Ring in Mount Doom, much of his own power was placed into it.

orlandoandsaran · 05-26-2002, 12:54 AM

Ainu, one of the Maiar of Aule. seduced by Melkor early in the First Age, Sauron became the chief of his servants and anchored the front line of his defense against the valar and Eldar.
He must have gotten power by learning from Morgoth.

avarrogion · 05-26-2002, 08:19 AM

Well thanx evryone for the imformation that i needed...kinda love Sauron now but then Boromir remains my fav. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

lathspell · 05-26-2002, 08:49 AM

Sauron was a Maia, as is already said, in the service of Aulë. Early in the First Age he was corrupted by Melkor the Morgoth. He became the Lieutenant of Angband and Melkor's chief servant. The Istari are also Maiar, but Sauron wasn't one of them. The Istari were sent by the Valar to help the people of ME against Sauron. Chief of them was Saruman, but Gandalf was the chief-enemy of Sauron as Cirdan percieved when he came to ME. That's also the reason why Cirdan gave Gandalf the Red Ring, Narya, ring of fire.

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The One Ring was his tool, and it was very powerful, because it was created by the elves

The elves did not make the One Ring. Sauron made it himself in the Cracks of Doom, in Orodruin. The elves made all the other Rings of Power, chief of these were the Three. Sauron made the One to rule all other Rings, and the ones who posessed them. In this way he later ensnared men, and they became the Nazgûl. By the making of the Ring much of his power went forth into the Ring (as with Feänor and the Silmarils for he could not make them again).
When he had made the One Ring and put it on his finger, the elves were aware of him. They hid the Three for they were unsullied, because Sauron had never touched nor seen them. All the other Rings of Power Sauron gained in his possession (and some the dragons consumed). Sauron chiefest thought was to gain the Three as well and become all-mighty. But then the free species made The Last Alliance and Sauron was overthrown and the One Ring was cut from his finger. Isildur, who had the Ring, was trapped by orcs and Ring was lost at that time, until it was found by Deagol.

Sauron had to gain the Ring in his possession again to become all-mighty. He didn't need the Three anymore, because the power of the elves was diminishing. They were few and formed little threat, according to him. All his power was now set on gaining the One Ring. Why he 'died', when the Ring was destroyed, I don't really now. Maybe someone can answer that question for me.

Hope this will do.

greetings,
lathspell

orlandoandsaran · 05-26-2002, 09:01 AM

HAHAHHA!
You like Sauron?? That really cracks me up!
hehehehehe
In the LOTR trilogy, Sauron seemed to me nothing but a little wimp with a great huge eye. He wasn't all that scary at all and when the ring was thrown into the Cracks of Doom by Gollum in his madness, nothing really happened and it was quite dissapointing because i thought something more......would happen from sauron.
That was the disappointing part in the book for me.

Veritas · 05-26-2002, 10:40 AM

Uhm, Orlandosumthin', The reason why the big final battle was won by the goodies, is because Saurons' power was destroyed. He was actually winning the fight, but after his demise the Orcs were short work. That's quite a difference! And for Sauron himself, the whole tower Barad Dur crumbled. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

The Fifth · 05-26-2002, 12:30 PM

Yea, Orlando, Sauron rocks... now it's time for Gandalf v. Sauron.. who will win?

lathspell · 05-26-2002, 12:41 PM

I will of course! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Elrian · 05-26-2002, 02:09 PM

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He must have gotten power by learning from Morgoth.

He had power as a Maia to begin with, then enhanced by serving Melkor.

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Why he 'died', when the Ring was destroyed, I don't really now. Maybe someone can answer that question for me.

Sauron didn't actually die, he was weakened to the point that he was never able to take shape again. When the Ring was destroyed so was most of Sauron's power which was in it. Maia are spirit beings and do not die.

Luinsewiel · 05-26-2002, 03:23 PM

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. He wasn't all that scary at all and when the ring was thrown into the Cracks of Doom by Gollum in his madness, nothing really happened and it was quite dissapointing because i thought something more......would happen from sauron.

um... Mount Doom erupted and Frodo and Sam were surounded by molten lava. The orcs the Captains of the West were fighting went mad and some killed themselves and Sauron bent all of his will on Frodo, forgetting even the war he was winning.

avarrogion · 05-27-2002, 08:02 AM

Yes Frodo was losing the battle when he said this " I have come but i do not choose now to do what i came to do. I will not do this deed. The ring is mine!" Sauron eventually let victory slipped away from him...sad but it`s a good thing.
Well everyone after reading the book, come to think of it it was Gollum who destroyed the One ring and not Frodo.

" Even Gollum may have something yet to do?"
Frodo to Sam at Mount Doom
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Raefindel · 05-28-2002, 06:26 PM

Sauron is my Mother-in-Law.

piosenniel · 05-28-2002, 06:30 PM

Raefindel, if Sauron is your mother-in-law, then your mother-in-law is my unit manager. A person of power and seeming fair face whose words can both charm you and kill you!

Ithaeliel · 05-28-2002, 06:47 PM

Er, explain how Sauron is your Mother-In-Law when he's actually a guy? And he never had a son either. D'oh! You're confusing me!!!! [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Okay, never mind! Just read the "Do you live w/ someone from ME" thread.

[ May 28, 2002: Message edited by: Ithaeliel ]

Raefindel · 05-29-2002, 01:37 PM

No, I'm very convinced of it...Sauron is my Mother-in-law.

05-25-2002, 09:15 PM	#1
avarrogion Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 120	Sauron....who is sauron After reading all the books for the 5th time i still don`t get it...what is Sauron is he a mere man or an astari like Gandalf and Saruman. Then how did he get his powers? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] " What have I got in my pocket?" Bilbo baggins __________________ I might have been a slasher but I never killed children, only real men!...A mistake cannot make right by another mistake... ~Kenshin Himura~

05-25-2002, 09:41 PM	#2
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 710	He's not an Istari, but he is of the same race as them, the Maiar, the lesser of the Valar, and they as a race must have been powerful. He was a servant of Morgoth, the Great Enemy, and through him he must have learned a lot about power. The One Ring was his tool, and it was very powerful, because it was created by the elves, so he did not have all the power, because the ring was his life force after he was defeated in physical form. If the power had really been his own, he would have survived after the ring was cast into the fires. And Bilbo's got the ring in his pocket! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Ithaeliel ] __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

05-25-2002, 10:58 PM	#3
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	Sauron was a Maia, The Istari were also Maia. Sauron was seduced into the evil service of Melkor the evil Vala in the first age. You can learn more about Sauron and Melkor in the Silmarillion, an excellent read. Sauron forged the One Ring in Mount Doom, much of his own power was placed into it. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

05-26-2002, 12:54 AM	#4
orlandoandsaran Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Greenwood Home Posts: 91	Ainu, one of the Maiar of Aule. seduced by Melkor early in the First Age, Sauron became the chief of his servants and anchored the front line of his defense against the valar and Eldar. He must have gotten power by learning from Morgoth. __________________ Vor\|otwen Bloom spouse of Orlando Bloom.

05-26-2002, 08:19 AM	#5
avarrogion Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 120	Well thanx evryone for the imformation that i needed...kinda love Sauron now but then Boromir remains my fav. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ I might have been a slasher but I never killed children, only real men!...A mistake cannot make right by another mistake... ~Kenshin Himura~

05-26-2002, 09:01 AM	#7
orlandoandsaran Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Greenwood Home Posts: 91	HAHAHHA! You like Sauron?? That really cracks me up! hehehehehe In the LOTR trilogy, Sauron seemed to me nothing but a little wimp with a great huge eye. He wasn't all that scary at all and when the ring was thrown into the Cracks of Doom by Gollum in his madness, nothing really happened and it was quite dissapointing because i thought something more......would happen from sauron. That was the disappointing part in the book for me. __________________ Vor\|otwen Bloom spouse of Orlando Bloom.

05-26-2002, 10:40 AM	#8
Veritas Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 131	Uhm, Orlandosumthin', The reason why the big final battle was won by the goodies, is because Saurons' power was destroyed. He was actually winning the fight, but after his demise the Orcs were short work. That's quite a difference! And for Sauron himself, the whole tower Barad Dur crumbled. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ With the birds I'll share this lonely view. ~Red Hot Chili Peppers, Scar Tisue~ Laurëfin

05-26-2002, 12:30 PM	#9
The Fifth Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mordor Posts: 427	Yea, Orlando, Sauron rocks... now it's time for Gandalf v. Sauron.. who will win? __________________ - Ringwraith #5, Servant of the Eye

05-26-2002, 12:41 PM	#10
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	I will of course! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

05-27-2002, 08:02 AM	#13
avarrogion Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 120	Yes Frodo was losing the battle when he said this " I have come but i do not choose now to do what i came to do. I will not do this deed. The ring is mine!" Sauron eventually let victory slipped away from him...sad but it`s a good thing. Well everyone after reading the book, come to think of it it was Gollum who destroyed the One ring and not Frodo. " Even Gollum may have something yet to do?" Frodo to Sam at Mount Doom [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ I might have been a slasher but I never killed children, only real men!...A mistake cannot make right by another mistake... ~Kenshin Himura~

05-28-2002, 06:26 PM	#14
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	Sauron is my Mother-in-Law. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

05-28-2002, 06:30 PM	#15
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Raefindel, if Sauron is your mother-in-law, then your mother-in-law is my unit manager. A person of power and seeming fair face whose words can both charm you and kill you! __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

05-28-2002, 06:47 PM	#16
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 710	Er, explain how Sauron is your Mother-In-Law when he's actually a guy? And he never had a son either. D'oh! You're confusing me!!!! [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] Okay, never mind! Just read the "Do you live w/ someone from ME" thread. [ May 28, 2002: Message edited by: Ithaeliel ] __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

05-29-2002, 01:37 PM	#17
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	No, I'm very convinced of it...Sauron is my Mother-in-law. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1