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05-25-2002, 02:03 PM | #1 |
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Questions About Middle-earth and Numenor?
If you have ANY questions, post them up here for all to see and to repsond to! One MAJOR question I want to ask: Since there were Five Wizards that were sent to ME, what happened to the other two that went west with Saruman and never returned?
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05-25-2002, 02:08 PM | #2 |
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Were those the blue wizards?
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05-25-2002, 02:13 PM | #3 |
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What are blue wizards?
I thought there was: Sarumon the White Gandalf the Grey Radagast the Blue (or was it Brown) (I don't know anyone else) Are the blue wizards then somthing else, or am I just completely wrong? [ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Veritas ]
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05-25-2002, 02:36 PM | #4 |
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Me too, I thought there was only three wizards. BTW, what is Radagast called by the elves (like Gandalf being called Mithrandir and Saruman is Cúrunir)?
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05-25-2002, 03:09 PM | #5 |
Shade of Carn Dûm
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There ARE blue wizards. But nobody is sure what happened to them.
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05-26-2002, 01:09 PM | #6 | |
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Yes, there were sent five Istari to Middle-earth. Their names were Olorin (Gandalf), Curumo (Saruman), Aiwendil (Radagast), and the two Blue Wizards (Ithryn Luin), named: Alatar and Pallando. These names are the names they had in Valinor and these are the only names which they had that are known to us for they had no names in the ME (at least not in the parts of ME of which the tales tell).
When they came to ME, Saruman went eastwards with Alatar and Pallando. Saruman returned and settled in Orthanc, Isengard. What has happened to the Blue Wizards is not known for sure, but in UT Christopher Tolkien writes the following: Quote:
Curumo was sent by Aule Aiwendil was sent by Yavanna Alatar and Pallando were sent by Oromë (for he had the greatest knowledge of the Valar about the far distant realms) Ithaeliel - Aiwendil is the Quenya name of Radagast (meaning 'lover of birds'). This was his name on Aman. I don't know his Sindarin-name in Middle-earth. I doubt if it mentioned somewhere. greetings, lathspell
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05-27-2002, 12:41 PM | #7 |
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Nicely put lathspell. Radagast was the Brown, but he didn't truly complete hsi Quest either because he became "obssessed" with animals and birds of ME. Only gandalf truly completed the Quest and returned to valinor.
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05-27-2002, 01:05 PM | #8 |
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yeah isnt there a theory that the 2 blue wizards started cults or somethin of the sort. Gandalf was the only one true to his task.
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05-27-2002, 01:51 PM | #9 |
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GreatWarg - thank you... and yes, Gandalf was the only to complete the quest. It is (in any way not by me) not known why Radagast had was sent anyway. The only 'speculation' that I found in UT is that Yavanna wanted to sent him, I think for the protection of nature and not only of humanoids. It's the only thing I could think of.
If anyone knows the reason of Radagast being sent to ME, please tell. Luineglin - yes, there is, as is said in the quote written above. greetings, lathspell
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05-27-2002, 02:04 PM | #10 |
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I have a question - well two actually [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
How far is it from Mithlond to Nogrod? How far it it from Nogrod to Khazah-dùm?
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05-27-2002, 02:20 PM | #11 |
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It didn't exist after the First Age, Nogrod was situated in the part of the Ered Luin that was destroyed at the end of the First Age, The lands changed and the town and harbour of Mithlond are now in that area that once was Nogrod. I had thought Belegost was the only surviver of that cataclysm since that part of the Ered Luin is still there, but that also was destroyed and it's people went to Moria. Two great books that can aid your research for your fanfic (quite good from what I've read [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) are The complete Guide to Middle Earth by Robert Foster and The Atlas of Middle Earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad. The first is like a Tolkien dictionary and the second has geographical maps of places and areas in different Ages of Time.
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