WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by skip spence

You know what, that is a bit odd. I've only played one game here on the downs but in that game Lottie was just that person, throwing all kinds of wild accusations all round. And in that game she was innocent and also correct on most accounts in her assessments.

That is very intriguing, skip.

Although, in the interest of balance, I would say that I remember Loslote as being fairly quiet from a previous game. A bit Jekyll and Hyde, is she?

Some of us are considerate enough to be consistently and predictably irritating.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I've just read through all Loslote's posts and the one thing that struck me is how inoffensive she is. Even when she gets closest to pinpointing someone:

"Wilwa's looking more evil than anyone else at this point, but she's still not looking excessively so."

she's careful to soften it.

Maybe it's just your character but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with you if you were wielding a sword like a crazy person and hurling abuse at people.

Originally Posted by skip spence

You know what, that is a bit odd. I've only played one game here on the downs but in that game Lottie was just that person, throwing all kinds of wild accusations all round. And in that game she was innocent and also correct on most accounts in her assessments.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

That is very intriguing, skip.

Although, in the interest of balance, I would say that I remember Loslote as being fairly quiet from a previous game. A bit Jekyll and Hyde, is she?

Some of us are considerate enough to be consistently and predictably irritating.

This interaction caught my eye (of course, as I was the main topic!). In my mind, Skip came out looking a lot more innocent, and Eomer a lot less so. The only game he could have been talking about was Nerwen's. Now, the logical way to proceed with this line of reasoning is, "was she a wolf in that game"? As it happens, no. I was Gifted. If I die toNight, may I ask that Eomer not be overlooked?

Also, other than this, I've gotten practially no read on Eomer, while Skip has looked pretty innocent, so my interpertation of this conversation may be biased.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Loslote, for the benefit of those of us who don't reside inside your head, can you explain what you mean in that post? I really can't figure it out.

I'd like to highlight to you that Skip insinuated you had changed your playing style, whereas I balanced his subtle accusation by claiming you hadn't.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Wilwa votes for Loslote

Nerwen votes for Wilwa

Boromir votes for Sally

Green votes for Wilwa



That's all?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Lottie

This interaction caught my eye (of course, as I was the main topic!).

Mine as well. There's something going on here.

Originally Posted by Eomer

I'd like to highlight to you that Skip insinuated you had changed your playing style, whereas I balanced his subtle accusation by claiming you hadn't.

You mean your post about how she was so very inoffensive and careful to soften her suspicions wasn't a subtle accusation?

(Aside to Lottie: How does it feel to be Miss Agreeable for a change?)

EDIT: x-ed with skip

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

You mean your post about how she was so very inoffensive and careful to soften her suspicions wasn't a subtle accusation?skip

Well Pitch, if my original post on Loslote was 'a subtle accusation' then Skip's was a stronger one, and I then balanced it.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok, I'm keeping my vote the way it is. Not convinced a choice between Wilwa and Loslote is the way to go. Sally always looks wrong to me but I haven't assessed her properly so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt for now.

++A LITTLE GREEN

For reasons above.

[skip spence]

Okay, here goes.

++Wilwa

I feel kind of apprehensive about jumping on this particular bandwagon, but still, it's probably best to trust my original impression.

Good night and may a lucky star shine on us!

ps. you know who I mean by us!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Aganzir, how can you make such a long post on Day Two? It's quite frankly ridiculous.

Aren't you interested in what I have to say? Hmm I believe Cailín played in the game in which I made a 2300-word case against Mac, but that wasn't Day 2! (Oh yes she did because I remember assassinating her.)

I already explained why I think the EW voting was suspicious

I still quite don't understand if you thought so only yesterday or also today (I got the impression it was the latter). I mean, it feels odd if you find a bandwagon suspicious that killed a wolf, even if it was mostly good luck... Do you really expect the wolves had planned it (or it was the seer's work)?

If the two wolves are among the four voters, one at least is gonna get a free ride right to the end of the game.

I know we shouldn't ignore anybody just because they happened to kill a wolf, but it looks mighty cobblerish to me to try to direct our attention to the people who voted for EW.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

In response to Agan. I don't approach Day 1s with the same contempt that others do --- in the experimental larger games, I typically say something controversial, to get attention and people talking about me and from there I can sort out who looks evil and rotten and who doesn't.

Hmm what was that a response to? I mean, I don't think I had any more questions about your day 1 activities. You're beginning to look rather jumpy with your lengthy explanations of your behaviour.
For the record, I don't think there are many people here who actually hate day 1s so much. See, even Fea, who seems to post mostly nonsense, sets traps in her posts and draws conclusions based on how people react to them. And what stops you from being controversial in traditional games? I don't think it's all that difficult.
I just realised something (which I'm not going to speak about right now - hope that makes me seem more like normal me, ie. annoying, Greenie ) and am actually beginning to get somewhat bad vibes from Boro.

Originally Posted by Boro

Had I been concerned about saving, TEW or not, I wouldn't have even made that post.

We others have no way of knowing whether you'd actually have done it. We have no way of knowing if the wolves had an ingenious plan to lynch EW (or somebody else, it could've been any one of them) to make the others look better. Unlikely as it is, we can't really ignore it. Besides, I've seen a Borowolf before who behaved exactly the way I didn't expect him to, and I got to pay for it.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

my logic would warn me against an Agan who doesn't annoy me at all.

If you'd like, I can try my best to fix that.

Greenie's summary looks relatively genuine.

Originally Posted by skip spence

To me it looked like an honest guess. On Day 1 there always little to base anything on (for innocent villagers). But I'm not trusting Eomer in any way.

What do you mean by an honest guess, and how can you tell it from a dishonest guess or a simple "I need to get someone lynched so I'll just throw there a few reasons and that should be enough" kind of vote? And when saying you don't trust Eomer in any way, do you mean you're not convinced he's innocent, or you find him completely unworthy of your trust?

That implies that she'd rather see Fea alive than either of these two.

I think that only implies she didn't want to vote for Fea. If she had said she thought Fea was innocent, I would have expected her to try to save her, but she didn't say so. If I don't have any strong suspects, I'm usually happy whichever way the lynch turns out - after all, others might have noticed things I never paid attention to.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I felt like I was agreeing with everything Nerwen said, until her last post. Had she not made this post I would therefore have assumed her guilty.

Huh? She appeared guilty to you because you agreed with her? I wonder what that makes you. ;-)

Sally: I know she always appears like a cobbler, but... I just get a feeling from her.

I know exactly what you mean.

Agan: I always, always, always suspect Aganzir. I am completely irrational so you shouldn't bother reading this post.

Aww, why? :-p

Originally Posted by skip spence

Agan is clearly evil but I'm not convinced she's assigned to that part in this game.

Trying to flatter me eh?

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Maybe it's just your character but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with you if you were wielding a sword like a crazy person and hurling abuse at people.

I definitely agree with you. The Lottie I'm used to (based on only one game with her, though) was really, how shall I phrase it, strong with her suspicions. ;-)

Okay I had to leave for a while and you guys posted some more...

Originally Posted by Eomer

can you explain what you mean in that post? I really can't figure it out.

I believe she thinks you accuse her because her behaviour is similar to a gifted!Lottie's... But to be honest I'm not entirely sure about the meaning of that post either.

Originally Posted by skip

ps. you know who I mean by us!

Huh?? Okay skip just rose much higher on my cobbler list.

Alright they need me again, will read & comment on the rest of the posts later.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok, one more post.

Aganzir, I haven't played WW much recently, but in one of the last games I played I basically trusted Wolf-Nerwen right until the end.

I trusted her because she said everything I was thinking before I had the chance to post it. If she ever does that again I will be forced to try to lynch her.

Does that make sense now?

Right, really away now. I have to get up early tomorrow as I have a visitor from the Barrow-Downs this weekend: fellow Warg-appreciator SamwiseGamgee! Maybe he can help unwrap the mystery of the two remaining wolves...

Or, far more likely, we'll get lost in the pub and I'll be mod-fired.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Loslote, for the benefit of those of us who don't reside inside your head, can you explain what you mean in that post? I really can't figure it out.

I'd like to highlight to you that Skip insinuated you had changed your playing style, whereas I balanced his subtle accusation by claiming you hadn't.

I was pointing out that you'd just liked my behavior now to my behavior as a Gifted, and that if I died, I'd be highly suspicious of you...although, now that I've said that, we have to take even that with a heaping spoonful of salt.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

(Aside to Lottie: How does it feel to be Miss Agreeable for a change?)

Bit boring, actually. If I had real suspicious (other than a really, really weak case against Eomer and an unsupported gut feeling about Greenie), I'd start waving my torch and pitchfork.

That wasn't meant to be a hint to Pitchie, but I don't want to bother rephrasing.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I believe she thinks you accuse her because her behaviour is similar to a gifted!Lottie's... But to be honest I'm not entirely sure about the meaning of that post either.

No, I believe it's somewhat suspicious to link someone's behavior to that of a Gifted's, because only wolves are actively looking for Gifteds. It's not really an accusation; just throwing that point out there.

EDIT: xed with Eomer

[satansaloser2005]

My shoddy interwebs and I are back. What's the vote count?

*is a bum*

[Pitchwife]

Looking mostly OK

Agan - I still don't get the reason for her vote yesterDay and disagree with her aboutsally and Boro, plus she seems to be looking for cobblers all over the place rather than wolves, but she doesn't give me the impression of having a hidden agenda.
Boro - sounds reasonable and genuine, and bonus points for giving TEW the coup de grace; most of his posts toDay were explaining/defending his vote, I'd like to see some more from him.
Fea - better toDay, now she's started applying her extraorbitant awesomeness to the game, and bonus points for giving TEW his second vote; would still like to see more, but I'm not going to vote her again for the time being.
Greenie - not that much to go on, but looks decent altogether.
Nerwen - always a big unknown, but most of what she's said toDay looks good.
sally - looks more or less like her normal silly self, only a bit more mysterious; may be 'up to something' (to use her own words), but doesn't give me any downright evil vibes yet.


Could go either way

Lottie - I see how her vote yesterDay could cause some doubts, but I don't think she'd have pushed The Elf-Wolf to the lead as a packmate; could theoretically have been the move of a clueless cobbler, but that would depend on either Fea or me being a wolf.


Somewhat suspicious

skip - looked OK to me earlier in the Day, but his interaction with Eomer - both about Lottie and earlier about the 'fishiness' of the TEWagon - rings some subtle bells; I'm still leaning toward innocent newbie seeking advice, but wouldn't rule out wolf-cub looking for guidance from senior packmate.
wilwa - I'm torn about her: her vote could have been an attempt to look like she was trying to save Fea without doing anything decisive, or an attempt to save TEW, and I think her case against Lottie stands on thin legs, but all this depends on too many unknowns; so I'll be watching her, but not voting her toDay.


Somewhat more suspicious

Eomer - I'm a bit uneasy about the way he's been harping on the theme of wolves among the TEW voters (not that it's impossible, but it'd take some very daring and confident wolves to pull off such a manœuver that early in the game); almost makes me think of a wolf trying to avenge his fallen packmate. His list basically amounts to 'no clear opinion of anybody'. And see above under skip.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Boro - sounds reasonable and genuine, and bonus points for giving TEW the coup de grace;

~~~~~~

Lottie - I see how her vote yesterDay could cause some doubts,

I'd just like to point out that, as far as either of us knew, our votes were basically identical.

But, also:

Eomer - I'm a bit uneasy about the way he's been harping on the theme of wolves among the TEW voters (not that it's impossible, but it'd take some very daring and confident wolves to pull off such a manœuver that early in the game); almost makes me think of a wolf trying to avenge his fallen packmate. His list basically amounts to 'no clear opinion of anybody'. And see above under skip.

I rather agree. Does anyone else have any strong feelings why Eomer shouldn't be lynched? At the moment, he's looking like where my vote will go.

[satansaloser2005]

All of Eomer's "cases" are flimsy enough, and I'm not the biggest fan of his lists, but I'm not sure he's not just an overeager ordo. Blah, indecisiveness.

Of course if he's lynched and is another wolf, I'll be epically cross, so for the sake of not semi-defending two wolves, I have to agree that he looks bad.

That and he really does.


ETA: That second line should say "two possible wolves", for clarification. I just realized it looked a bit strange.

[Loslote]

Right, well, to get this out of the way:

++ Eomer of the Rohirrim

for being vague and noncommital, and for making my gut have feelings of nervousness.

[satansaloser2005]

I hate when my list looks so much like everyone else's. o_O

Guilty
Muffin
Eomer

Mehbe
Lottiepop
Agan (overdefensive, seriously? only if you had a real reason to vote me, heh)
Greenie (she's still fishy to me)

Innocent for now
Nerwen (I suspect her, thus she's innocent....heh)
Pitch
skip
Boro
Fea


I'm too tired to consider loads of candidates. Blah.


I want to look at Muffin's posts again, but she's seriously looking furry to me. o_O


EDIT: x'd since my last

[satansaloser2005]

Bother. Internet died.


And I did, Agan. I know you don't have to believe me, but the post was eaten and I only realized it when I got home, at which point....well, I brought it up.


I know, I know, shut up. I hope this actually posts this time.

ETA: It did, but crossed with Sir Mod. Sowwie, love.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, because it's too appropriate to resist....

"If you die, can I have your iPod?"

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Sigh. I didn't think he was the Ranger (I keep sort-of forgetting that role)... but I did think he was innocent. So now I'm a bit bummed that my list of people I trusted is slimmed down that much more.