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Everybody remembers all the cool dragons Tokien wrote about: Smaug, Ancalagon the Black, Scatha the worm, and so forth. Everyone should also know that all the famous dragons genarally get killed.
But what happened to all the other dragons? Tolkien said that Melkor created a bunch and that the dragons reproduced, but what happened to them? Did they die or what??? The only thing Tolkien really says is: Quote:
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Maybe they just are very very reclusive???
Maybe they left the waste and were never seen again??? Maybe Melkor drew them all to him because they were his creatures and he was banished from Middle-earth???? (of course, if that was so, he would have taken the Balrogs as well.) I really do not know. It could have been anything. The peoples of Middle-earth could have just lost concern with them because none were as great as Smaug or Scatha or any of them and never bothered those below the Ered Mithrin. [ May 12, 2002: Message edited by: Ithaeliel ]
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As Tolkien said many of them are still in the Northern Waste. 'Only' five of them are known to have come southwards. These dragons have found a home in the mountain range at the northside of the Withered Heath (I believe Gandalf mentions this somewhere in the Hobbit).
One of them, Smaug, came further southwards and took Erebor for his home and how he perished is known to all here. I think there are still many dragons in the Northern Waste, because the Eagles battled with them a whole day in the War of Wrath. Of course many have perished in that war but there might still be alot left. That's all I know (and guess) about dragons. greetings lathspell
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sorry, it was me posting under my bro's (inglorion) name again.
How irritating it can be to have a bro on the same forum [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] greetings once again, lathspell
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Oh, the dragons are smaaaaart. They hide, they multiply, they wait before they get on you... And some have moved to my place. I've got a nice collection of two dosen assorted dragons [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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I have a friend that is very interested in dragon-lore, Tolkien or otherwise. Maybe he may know something. I'll check it out.
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Well, there was Smaug in the Third Age, but due to Gandalf's machinations, he's taken off the board before the War starts. Unless I'm forgetting something, no dragons were used by Sauron in either Third Age battle (beginning or end). You'd think that if they were available, Sauron would have used them somehow.
So maybe they became extinct.
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Oh, there were still dragons around.
Remember that in 1958 Tolkien wrote that there was a 6000 year gap between the fall of Barad Dur and the beginning of recorded history: Quote:
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And not just "lumping great fairytale dragons but a small trim heraldic welsh dragon..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5ZMNyscPcg (3min50) or clerical grade ice dragons... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Z8yyNRiyM
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Oh, so *that's* what happened to all of the dragons!
![]() But me thinks that these aren't Melkor's dragons. Could they have died in a battle with the Entwives? That would explain why both no longer are seen.
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Now this might be deserving of its own thread, but why exactly was the Green Dragon named as such? No hobbits, save Bilbo, ever saw a dragon and lived to make a living by it. Where did the idea come from then?
Prancing Ponies and Floating Logs I understand, but dragons?
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Musta been named by one o' them Tooks.
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The founder of The Green Dragon, having never faced a live dragon himself, may have thought the name whimsical, something that would set his place apart from the 'Logs', 'Perches', and 'Bushes' in the area.
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It is a fairly common pub name, maybe it had a fearsome landlady.
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