T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Let's not misrepresent. Only a couple of people have actually said they want to be Captain and the rest have only expressed their lack of objection to holding the position.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well as for the Wolf-for-Captain business, Nerwen is right about that it's probably the most dangerous thing that could happen. However, I think the Wolves would try to approach such a position somewhat subtly.

All right, I'll concede the point.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

And I don't get the Fea and Boro business at all and I also have no idea why somebody should be picking in it. Because I thought that it's just something completely normal, like, what's happening? Nothing is happening, so what's the problem?

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, Legate.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, Legate.

I meant that I thought Fea explained why she did her retraction vote already in the first place, then she added another explanation for the sake of it, still Boro questioned her which I didn't quite get what for. But okay, whatever, I don't get it, but it doesn't seem as anything that could point towards wolfishness or something, so I think it's better to leave it be. But then again others have been wondering about them, but I just thought that the matter should be put at rest - which is exactly what it is not if I am talking about it here. In short: I think it would be all too easy for Wolves to pick on "huh! Fea wasted her vote! Isn't that suspicious?" (While in itself, I don't think there's anything suspicious about it.) Or again, they could also pick on Boro because of that. So that's it.

Okay, but now I have to go. See you in a few hours.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Anyway... I'm an old lady, and it's time for me to snuggle under my blankets with Isak Dinesen.

You know she had syphilis, right?
One of my friends work at the Karen Blixen museum at Rungstedlund, a very nice place dedicated to a very interesting person.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also also, I'm really excited that Kath's playing. If only she'd post....

Well, it is the trademark of Kath to forget about the game the first day, so we probably won't see her the first while.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Also, I want to know what Boro and Fea are up to (even apart from general principles).

I don't understand why Fea (in any role) would want to shed her retractables. I mean, you can say, "yeah, it makes her look innocent, therefore she must be evil," but is it worth it even then?

I kind of understand why she did so, atleast I can relate. I really dislike retractable votes, I think they remove some of the fun from the game, but I guess I am a bit more pragmatic thatn Fea and couldn't make my self waste the retractable votes. . .
Don't you like the fact that when a person has cast a vote then you know what you are dealing with and it also forces you to think your votes over.

Anyways I will be arround for some hours.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The ones who benefit most from vote retractions are wolves, because so few people retract before the last five minutes of a Day. In that time span, people tend to second guess their votes, realize somebody they like is going to die, retract, re-vote, OH MY GODZ ONE MINUTE TILL DEADLINEZ, wolves slip in and vote for whoever they feel like, and next Day they can just say, "I cross-posted with everybody."

Or there's always the lovely, "I thought I'd be back before deadline to change my vote. Oops!" Which pretty much lets anybody off the hook for voting for people who appear completely innocent.

My giving up my retractions has nothing to do with my role and everything to do with me being a control freak and liking to have all my ducks lined up in a row.

My votes should mean something, and I don't want to listen to people saying, "Well yeah, she voted for this person, but she might still change her vote. That's suspicious!"

My votes are either going to be suspicious or not, based on my one shot at getting it right each day.

/explanation

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

What other motive could she possibly have?

Is asking for further explanation from a throwaway one sentence comment a crime?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

The Chapter is of course, Minas Tirith. Yay, now you have to vote me.

I said you would be considered, much different than now you get my vote. Seriously, though since Minas Tirith is correct, you are a candidate (in my head), so far, along with Rune.

This means the other 2 possibilities for NGs are still up for grabs.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So why not pick a more obscure quote, then?

I thought I was being pretty obscure? Anyway, I needed a quote that I felt fit the situation. The person the noble (old probably would have been a better descriptor ) wisened figure was talking to made the throw away comment "unless the king should come again" after boasting he wasn't going to give up his power to any man. The old, wisend, figure was not convinced by the last comments, hence why he ends up questioning "Unless the King should come again?"

In this situation, I was not convinced that Fea's statement, regarding why voting and retracting for me was "nothing more complicated" than being alphetically first. So, I needed a quote which would show my lack of being convinced, and ask for further explanation. Maybe it wasn't obscure, but I found it fitting regarding the situation, and pretty clever.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I meant that I thought Fea explained why she did her retraction vote already in the first place, then she added another explanation for the sake of it, still Boro questioned her which I didn't quite get what for.

Actually, you misrepresent what happened Legate. Fea gave her post with the retraction and one-liner explanation. I asked for more, she gave it, and since then I have not asked for any more. That means you can assume that either 1. I have been convinced by Fea's reasoning or 2. I have gotten all that I need from it and find no more use in pursuing it.

My other posts have not been still asking Fea for more, but responses to Roa and Nerwen who have asked what the hell is going on?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I thought I was being pretty obscure? Anyway, I needed a quote that I felt fit the situation. The person the noble (old probably would have been a better descriptor ) wisened figure was talking to made the throw away comment "unless the king should come again" after boasting he wasn't going to give up his power to any man. The old, wisend, figure was not convinced by the last comments, hence why he ends up questioning "Unless the King should come again?"

The speaker was none other than Gandalf the Grey. Considering the company you're in, there may not have been a quote obscure enough.

I don't really 'get' the controversy surrounding you and Fea. I'm not a fan of throwing away retractable votes that could serve a legitimate purpose, but that's just me.

[Nienna]

I can vouch for Fea hating retractable votes. It's not suspicious, she would do the same thing in any role that she had. This is why Fea can be sneaky. She doesn't necessarily have a particular playing style for a wolf that is noticeably different than when she is not a wolf. We just have to pay close attention to her in case of any slip-ups.

I also don't find the Boro thing weird but can understand people looking to find suspicion without a lot of information.

[Roa_Aoife]

Responding as I read, so this may be jumbled:

Originally Posted by legate

Well as for the Wolf-for-Captain business, Nerwen is right about that it's probably the most dangerous thing that could happen. However, I think the Wolves would try to approach such a position somewhat subtly. Though not necessarily, of course.

A wolf could always try bluffing. And seeing as there are four wolves, they can try out more than one strategy to get one of themselves picked. I, for one, don’t believe that people who want power should have it. But a wolf could always be subtle: “Sure, you could vote for me, if you want… not that I care, or anything…”

Originally Posted by legate

And I don't get the Fea and Boro business at all and I also have no idea why somebody should be picking in it. Because I thought that it's just something completely normal, like, what's happening? Nothing is happening, so what's the problem? (With both of them and for the others.)

That was actually my point. Boro was saying that what Fea did was suspicious, and I can’t see a reason for him to think so, so I’d like him to explain why he thought so. If he cannot, then it looks a lot like someone trying to create suspicion where none would otherwise be. With no seer, there is only one reason why someone would do that.
Why shouldn’t we be looking at it? The behavior on Boro’s part is suspicious, ergo I question him. Why does that seem odd to you?

Originally Posted by boromir88

Is asking for further explanation from a throwaway one sentence comment a crime?

In this situation, I was not convinced that Fea's statement, regarding why voting and retracting for me was "nothing more complicated" than being alphabetically first. So, I needed a quote which would show my lack of being convinced, and ask for further explanation. Maybe it wasn't obscure, but I found it fitting regarding the situation, and pretty clever.

You didn’t answer my question. You said weren’t convinced that Fea used you to throw away her retractables because your name was first alphabetically. I want to know why you should need convincing of it. And no, it’s not a crime, but the comment was not a throwaway, and there was nothing suspicious about it. Your implication of suspicion here is what I find suspicious, and you have yet to give a satisfactory answer as to your reaction.