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It's not whether one votes at the last minute or earlier. It's what you do before you vote when in a tight situation... Are you concerned or do you just sit back and relax looking at others trying to figure out the outcome...
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A quick question about the NG votes, if one wolf goes, would one of the other 3 try to attract the NG vote or not? Something for us to mull over perhaps.
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Alright. Well I'll still be aroud til the DL but I'm just gonna do this now to avoid the rush:
++ Guard Nogrod This is gonna be the longest 15 minutes of my life....
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My dear people, I sincerely apologize for my prolonged absence! A commission for quite the intricate dress called upon my time.
It seems Legate is widely suspected. It's a valid point, that this is indeed a death that would shed some much needed light. ++Legate And for my guard vote, ++Nogrod, because I think the village could use his wit and common sense.
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Erm, hi, I just woke back up. Ah, I see my assistance is needed. Goodie; I can catch up at the same time!
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Okay.
Might as well do that as there's little reason to do otherwise at this point and after all my arguing... ![]() ++ Legate Let's hope the clear-cut explanation / interpretation was right. I need to consider my guard-vote a moment still.
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I think it is
For lynching: Legate 10 Inzil 3 For guarding: Nog 5 Nerwen 2 Nilp 2 Wilwa, Inzil & Shasta 1
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The Legate thing still looks too pat somehow, though admittedly it would be unreasonable to expect people to give him a pass. But it appears he'll be getting the rope regardless of anything I do. So...
++Legate and ++Guard Nogrod for Cab's reasons.
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Okay.
I'm more than ready to be guarded so I'll ++ guard Boro
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Nilp-->Dun Nerwen-->Legate Boro-->Legate (2) Hakon-->Legate (3) Greenie-->Legate (4) Lommie-->Dun (2) Nienna-->Legate (5) Wilwa-->Legate (6) Brinn-->Legate (7) Pitch-->Legate (8) Cabbie-->Dun (3) Nessa-->Legate (9) Nog-->Legate (10) Dun-->Legate (11) Guard Nilp-->Wilwa Nerwen-->Dun Boro-->Nerwen Greenie-->Nog Lommie-->Nilp Nienna-->Nerwen (2) Brinn-->Shasta Pitch-->Nog (2) Cabbie-->Noggie (3) Wilwa-->Noggie (4) Nessa-->Noggie (5) Legate-->Nilp (2) Dun-->Nog (6) Nog-->Boro Too lazy to check who hasn't voted in each case yet, but I'll look at it toMorrow if I'm still alive and make a comparison. Also, I find it interesting that Cabbie and Lommie voted to kill Dun. Especially Lommie, I think (or it could be the post-nap babble) because she did it early enough vote-wise that it potentially could have saved Legate. Cabbie could have been doing the same. (Of course all this is irrelevant if Legate's innocent, but I wanted to point it out anyway.) EDIT: x'd with Nog, added in his vote
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Time for my guard vote.
++Nogrod I am voting him for the same reason as Cab and Inzil.
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I need to take back my words of being suspicious of the bandwagon of guarding on Nerwen...
You guys creep me out!
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Btw I am getting better, as if I am really going to be lynched, it's Day 2 - in late games, I have been rather often lynched as innocent on Day 1.
Good-bye! Be good, take care of yourselves - and DON'T LEAVE THE PATH!!! (no, there's no secret meaning to that goodbye) (Or actually, there is. But I should rather say the opposite: You should not keep on the path of fools.)
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Day 2
After commenting on the sorrowful loss of their Seer, the people of Upper Downsbury quickly turned their thoughts towards Legate.
First Sally commented, saying, "Either Legate's a wolf or it's a wolf trick, but I don't think it's likely that the wolves would give up that extra lynch." Then Hakon said, "I've always thought it was Legate, I hope he is." Nienna agreed, starting a massive bandwagon by saying, "I think it's worth it- lynching Legate, I mean." Soon it seemed that everyone was willing to accept that it was not a wolf trick, and that Legate was, in fact, a wolf, which had lead to there only being one killing during the Night. The Fool, Nilpaurion, who always spoke his mind, had something different to say. "Isn't it too easy? Don't you think that the wolves are tricking us?" And Shasta went into denial about killing the Seer, realising that villages always killed their seers early, before they could be of much use. Legate appeared, and appeared to be defending himself quite well against the accusations, but they kept coming and people ignored his replies. "Don't you realise that you're being used by the wolves?" he said. "Can't you see that they're going to take control. Don't do what they want you to do. And at least if you're going to kill me today, please talk about whoever else you think is evil, otherwise you've wasted the day, just like they wanted you to!" Nerwen fought back, but it didn't matter. Even though they were thinking about what he was saying, the people still wanted to kill Legate. The people were shouting, "He's a wolf! He's a wolf" and brought him to Eönwë "Can we kill him, please?" someone shouted. Eönwë paused for a moment. Now, what makes you think he's a wolf?" "He looks like one." was the general clamouring voice of the crowd. Legate, who was wearing a grey fur coat and fake teeth, came forwards. "I'm not a wolf," he said. "But you are dressed as one," replied Eönwë. "I don't look like this. They put these on me," Legate said, and took them off. "Well?" said Eönwë, raising an eyebrow inquisitively at the crowd. "Well," said Pitchwife, "we did do the teeth." "The teeth?" the mayor inquired. "And the coat," he admitted. "But he's a wolf!" "Kill him! Kill him!" cried the crowd in a frenzy of bloodlust. "Did you dress him up like that?" asked the mayor. "No! No! No... Yes... Yes..." the crowd eventually admitted. "Has he actually done anything to show he's a wolf?" asked Eönwë. "He bit me!" exclaimed Nogrod. "Really?" asked Eönwë. "Well... I got better," he replied. "Kill him anyway!" shouted Brinniel, soon to be echoed by the rest of the assembled lynch mob. "Quiet, quiet!" Eönwë tried to calm the crowd. "There are ways of telling if he is a wolf." "Tell us, tell us!" shouted the crowd. "Well... what can float?" "Wood!" shouted McCaber. "Bread!" shouted Nessa. "A wolf!" shouted Pitchwife. "Exactly" verified Eönwë. "So logically, if he can float... "...then he's a wolf!" shouted Brinniel triumphantly. "And then we can kill him!" shouted the crowd. "Precisely." said Eönwë. So they took Legate to the river. They tied his hands and feet together and Brinniel and Pitchwife flung him in. A little blood came up, but was washed past by the river. But there was no sign of Legate. "He was innocent after all." said Eönwë. And everyone went back to the village square, downcast. "It just goes to show that money can't give you everything. "And who shall we save for the night?" asked the mayor. "Nogrod!" was the general consensus. And so, the Night guards took up their positions for the third time, this time outside Nogrod's house. Living: A Little Green- the village butcher alonariel- the village blacksmith Boromir88- the village pig farmer Brinniel- the village witch Hakon- the village innkeeper Inziladun- the village brewer McCaber- chief (only) miner, head of miners' guild Nerwen- a wandering minstrel Nessa Telrunya- the village seamstress Nienna- the village potter Nilpaurion Felagund- the village fool Nogrod- the retired bourgeois Pitchwife- the village mason satansaloser2005- The village librarian (Mistress of the books) Shastanis Althreduin- the village apothecary Thinlómien- the village chief gardener wilwarin538- the village barmaid The Dead Kitanna- the village hermit - Seer Mnemosyne- the village coquette - Innocent Legate of Amon Lanc- the village broker - Innocent
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Night 3
The Night came again, swift and cold. The villagers were lamenting their losses, as no wolves had yet been killed, whereas three innocent villagers and their Seer had been taken.
But one by one, the village fell into sleep. All except one. Lommy was sitting, lamenting the death of Legate. "I told them. I told them. But would they listen?" she said to herself, over and over again. She lost all hope of them ever being able to save the village from the wolves. Then, she felt something cold touch the back of her neck, and she saw and felt no more. --- The next morning, the village assembled in the square, as was the custom by now. Eönwë spoke to the crowd. "Are we all here?" "I am sad to say that we are missing Lommy." said Nogrod. There was no trace of her in her home, and it took a long time for people to find anything that would give them a clue as to what had happened that night. Eventually, her blood-soaked remains were found left in the old well. This well had mysteriously dried up a few days before the first wolf arrived, and they had spent the last few weeks filling it up. It was now almost filled up, only around two metres deep. They decided to leave Lommy's body where it was found, and continue filling in the well, which was now also a grave, and it was known as the Well of Lommy until the last days of the village, and the gardens of Upper Downsbury never again received as much love and attention as when Lommy had been alive. Nogrod said, "I should have given her the protection instead of being so selfish!" The realisation that she was dead had still not sunk in for Nogrod and Greenie. They went back to the village square. Eönwë stood there, with the same gloomy expression that had become part of his face for the last few days. "Today we really need to catch a wolf. We have already lost four, and they have lost none. Please make your votes today count. We do not want to lose any more of us. Living: A Little Green- the village butcher alonariel- the village blacksmith Boromir88- the village pig farmer Brinniel- the village witch Hakon- the village innkeeper Inziladun- the village brewer McCaber- chief (only) miner, head of miners' guild Nerwen- a wandering minstrel Nessa Telrunya- the village seamstress Nienna- the village potter Nilpaurion Felagund- the village fool Nogrod- the retired bourgeois Pitchwife- the village mason satansaloser2005- The village librarian (Mistress of the books) Shastanis Althreduin- the village apothecary wilwarin538- the village barmaid The Dead Kitanna- the village hermit - Seer Mnemosyne- the village coquette - Innocent Legate of Amon Lanc- the village broker - Innocent Thinlómien- the village chief gardener - Innocent The sun has risen on Day 3. You may resume posting.
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Bah.
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Well now we know the wolves are killing one a night. I kind of feel like this is partially Legate's fault that they have done it again. I feel this way since yesterday when defending himself he outlined how if the wolves killed one a night they could escape lynching more easily.
One thing I would like to state is that we need to look at the Legate voters. There has to be at least one wolf amongst them. My guess is that the wolf is one of the earlier voters rather than the ones who voted Legate closer to deadline. I think that if there is one wolf amongst the voters this is the case but if there are more than one then this is probably not the case for all of them. Another thing is the wolves probably expect us to lynch Nogrod today. I think we should try to avoid doing that.
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Congrats wolves. You have found a way to circumvent being found out by the village by night guards. You are also giving up killing an extra person each night. I'll take that though. We lynched an innocent yesterday but we are up two innocents as the wolves have given up two extra kills.
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bah indeed.
Major headache here from the all the headdesking I did yesterday. I cannot believe this. Hakon, practically everyone was a Legate voter. So yes, I'm positive there are wolves in there, probably 2, if not 3. This is unreal....I don't even know what to say about this. I don't think it's a good idea to lynch Nogrod, at least not now cause I'm sure that's exactly what the wolves want from us. But he'll probably end up being guilty in the end, just to spite us. uh I'm at work now, but I'll be home in about 3 hours. Then I should be around for a couple hours. Much more tomorrow though.
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Now I think we should use the NG thing to save those we want to keep around. Since the wolves have succeeded in making us unsure of the role of the person guarded. Back to good ole vote analyzing, theories, and suspicions for us now.
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I bet it has to do with the fact that Lommie was one of the only people to not vote for Legate. Inziladun, she did vote for you. Maybe you are a wolf and are worried because she was on to you so you convinced your fellow wolves to support killing her.
With looking at Legate voters we should definitely look at some of the ones who voted earlier in the day. I think there is a large chance that some wolf just wanted to get their vote out of the way and they knew they would be voting for Legate. I agree with you Nogrod that we should look at the Inziladun voters. One thing we also need to think about is part of the safety the wolves gain from killing one a night. Because we know that at least once the wolves have chosen to kill one a night we expect it to always have been their choice. It could happen that we end up guarding a wolf and we just assume that they chose to have one kill that night. It could mean a wolf not getting lynched.
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Here and reading.
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Bah, humbug.
Well, we got one good thing out of yesterDAY. Nogrod shall be innocent until proven guilty. That's good, fellow villagers. Why Lommy, though? Well, the only thing I can come up with is that there were only three non-Legate voters: himself, her, and . . . me. Paint a bulls-eye at me, will you? And on a bloody weekend, at that? Be back with a lynch tally. *gags*
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hmmm. falling asleep on my keyboard here so I'm gonna head out. be back in the morning with a clearer head.
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Vote count so far
DAY ONE
Lynch: Nilp-->Nilp Mnemo-->Wilwa Brinn-->Cabbie Nerwen-->Kit Shasta-->Lommie Kit-->Brinn Boro-->Kit (2) Dun-->Kit (3) Greenie-->Nog Cabbie-->Wilwa (2) Hakon-->Legate Pitchie-->Kit (4) Legate-->Wilwa (3) Nienna-->Dun Nog-->Greenie Lommie-->Kit (5) Sally-->Kit (6) Didn't vote: Alona, Nessa Guard: Mnemo-->Boro Brinn-->Legate Sally-->Mnemo Nerwen-->Legate Kit-->Hakon Shasta-->Legate (3) Boro-->Nienna Dun-->Boro (2) Nog-->Legate (4) Greenie-->Nienna (2) Nienna-->Mnemo (2) Hakon-->Boro (3) Pitchie-->Boro (4) Lommie-->Legate (5) Legate-->Lommie Wilwa-->Legate (6) Didn't vote: Alona, Nessa, Cabbie, Nilp DAY TWO Lynch Nilp-->Dun Nerwen-->Legate Boro-->Legate (2) Hakon-->Legate (3) Greenie-->Legate (4) Lommie-->Dun (2) Nienna-->Legate (5) Wilwa-->Legate (6) Brinn-->Legate (7) Pitch-->Legate (8) Cabbie-->Dun (3) Nessa-->Legate (9) Nog-->Legate (10) Dun-->Legate (11) Legate-->Dun (4) Sally-->Legate (12) Didn't vote: Alona, Shasta Guard Nilp-->Wilwa Nerwen-->Dun Boro-->Nerwen Greenie-->Nog Lommie-->Nilp Nienna-->Nerwen (2) Brinn-->Shasta Pitch-->Nog (2) Cabbie-->Noggie (3) Wilwa-->Noggie (4) Nessa-->Noggie (5) Legate-->Nilp (2) Dun-->Nog (6) Nog-->Boro Hakon-->Nog Sally-->Nienna Didn't vote: Alona, Shasta Innocents are in italics, known baddies (not that we have any ![]()
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