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08-30-2009, 02:43 PM | #1 |
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How was Gwaihir so well informed ?
Gwaihir the Windlord, the great eagle that rescued Gandalf from Orthanc, seemed to be exceptionally well informed about goings-on in Middle Earth.
Right after he rescued Gandalf, it was obvious he'd had contact with Radagast and the Elves in Mirkwood. He knew about Gollum's escape. He was aware of Saruman. He knew the geography of Rohan and had heard of the (false) rumour that Rohan paid a tribute of horses to Sauron. After Gandalf slew the Balrog, Gwaihir obviously had contact with Galadriel who sent him on a rescue mission again. Gwaihir then spied out the land for Gandalf, tracking the Company as it travelled down Anduin. Then in the final showdown, Gwaihir and his eagles arrived at the Black Gate and rescued Frodo and Sam. How did Gwaihir get such a steady stream of information to enable him to participate like this ? |
08-30-2009, 03:38 PM | #2 |
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Well, firstly, in the summer of 3018, Gandalf asked Radagast to send word among his friends the birds to learn what they could of the Enemy's plans. The Great Eagles flew far and wide and gathered news of the Nazgul and the mustering of Orcs and Wargs and the escape of Gollum from Mirkwood.
Gwaihir was on his way to Isengard - unaware of Saruman's treachery - to bring these news to Gandalf. It was Gandalf's good fortune that this happened. And as you say he then searched for Gandalf at Galadriel's request and after rescuing him was sent off to look after the Fellowship and returned with the news of Merry and Pippin's capture. Now to your question - the first important things he learned he had found out due to Radagast's request to find out more about the Enemy's plans. Again, he was not aware of Saruman, but knew where Isengard was, perhaps from earlier errands involving Radagast or maybe just because he liked flying around. Once he was involved in the War he of course was sent on errands by members of the White Council and perhaps also flew around to find out more out of his own curiosity. After all, he was on the good side and had interest in helping out. And last but not least, Gwaihir was the lord of the eagles at the time of the War and as such had hundreds of birds as vassals. Imagine how much information would be gathered by such a number.
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08-30-2009, 06:15 PM | #3 |
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Actually, the eagles were Tolkien's primary deus ex machina, conveniently placed to always be at the right place just in the nick of time. And besides Shadowfax, they were Gandalf's secondary mode of transportation. Howard Hughes had the Spruce Goose, Gandalf had the Regal Eagles.
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As a good Tolkien fan I ought to be quoting from the Jerusalem Bible, but I don't have one at hand, only the King James. And my Cruden's Concordance is for the 1611 edition anyway, which reminds its readers that eagles are a symbol for deliverance. Poe, after all, did not have an eagle repeating, "never more."
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However, Tolkien recognized the limitations of using the Eagles.
In his critique of a suggested film synopsis by Morton Grady Zimmerman. Quote:
Great Eagles may be descendants of maia, among other possibilities of their origin, and so have their own agenda and interests. (Think of Treebeard's observation about being on someone's side).
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Featherless. Chicken. Probably bred in response to the Eagles themselves...
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08-31-2009, 12:36 PM | #8 |
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Or bred and corrupted from captured Eagles, perhaps, as the Orcs supposedly were from Elves?
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Chat skwerlz perhaps?
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09-01-2009, 08:41 AM | #12 |
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Well, this thread has certainly blossomed with insights.
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