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Groin Redbeard · 12-31-2007, 04:40 PM

This thread is about who you think is the best King of all time, in Middle Earth. The person can be Male, Female, Dwarf, Man, Elf, or even a Hobbit (if you can find any Hobbit kings).

I'll start the thread.

Dáin II Ironfoot
Fought in the War of Dwarves and Orcs. King of the Lonely Mountain during the War of the Ring. Durin and was the son of Nain and the grandson of Gror, who led a company of Dwarves to settle in the Iron Hills.

Dáin II Ironfoot had all the trappings of a great King: Loyal to his kin and friends, amazingly honest for a dwarf, strong leader/warrior, and a wise ruler.

There you have it. I’ve nominated my “King of Kings” now you nominate yours!

Have fun,
-Grion Redbeard

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 01-01-2008, 07:14 PM

Hmmm. I think I will have to not go for Thranduil! Maybe... well the thain of the Shire was knida like a king, so I'll have to go with..

Paladin Took the father of Peregrin Took

He defended his home and town from Saurman's guys during the Scouring and... well raised Pippin (and didn't kill him first)

Dwarven Warrior · 01-04-2008, 11:25 AM

Nice Thread Groin. I think Elendil tops them all, even Dain II.

If it wasn't for him all of Arda would have fallen into darkness.

mormegil · 01-04-2008, 11:32 AM

How about Elessar? I think he did more on a grand scale and for more people than most could claim credit for and faced greater odds to get there than most.

Groin Redbeard · 01-04-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

How about Elessar? I think he did more on a grand scale and for more people than most could claim credit for

Elessar's deeds as a king, in my opinion, weren't as impressive as when he was a ranger, but he was a great king.

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and faced greater odds to get there than most.

Very true. Those that are well tried in life usaully make the best leaders.

Gwathagor · 01-04-2008, 05:00 PM

Golly, this is a hard thread. You can't very well compare between races and ages; each monarch needs to be considered within their own particular context. Seriously, I could just choose Illuvatar and trump all of you. So, perhaps a better idea would be to select, say, the greatest king of the third age, or the greatest king of the dwarves, or something like that.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-05-2008, 11:12 AM

Okay, I made my choice and it is based more on feeling, if someone told me: King of Kings in Middle-Earth? What would I reply, simply as that. It does not have much to do with the fact that the king would be the best ruler, the kindest, most powerful and most famous and victorious over most enemies and with most heroic deeds behind him or anything like that, but who is THE king for me, is the King of the Mountain, Thorin Oakenshield.

The Might · 01-05-2008, 11:29 AM

Well, why not go with something different and take Brytta.
Not often do you find a ruler that is generous to all, especially to the needy. I don't doubt that Aragorn or Eomer weren't like that as well, but I still think they were as kings a bit above the ordinary ones, while Brytta received the title Leofa, the Beloved, because of the attachment of all Rohirrims to him.
Now that's a king!

Elmo · 01-06-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Golly, this is a hard thread. You can't very well compare between races and ages; each monarch needs to be considered within their own particular context. Seriously, I could just choose Illuvatar and trump all of you. So, perhaps a better idea would be to select, say, the greatest king of the third age, or the greatest king of the dwarves, or something like that.

I could open a can of worms with that one...

Groin Redbeard · 01-07-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Golly, this is a hard thread. You can't very well compare between races and ages; each monarch needs to be considered within their own particular context. Seriously, I could just choose Illuvatar and trump all of you. So, perhaps a better idea would be to select, say, the greatest king of the third age, or the greatest king of the dwarves, or something like that.

I don't want to make this thread too narrow. After all, in my opinion, narrow minded threads are for narrow minded people.

Let's try and get back on the main subject. Next nomination please...

Bêthberry · 01-07-2008, 02:10 PM

I bet if you started a thread on who were the best queens you'd get a bit more discussion.

Gwathagor · 01-07-2008, 09:53 PM

Queens?

As far as kings go (and beyond the obvious choice of Aragorn), I really like Dain Ironfoot.

Eönwë · 01-09-2008, 02:20 PM

I don't know if this counts, but Círdan (he rules Falas and Lindon throughout his life).

He is the oldest elf on middle earth (not including Valinor), I think maybe 15,000 years old? He was at the first march of the elves, whe n they went West from Cuivienen.

He got messages from the Valar that he was needed in Middle Earth so he stayed.
His people got attacked so much, including by the full force of Angmar, but many of them survived.

He took part in almost every major battle (with elves in it), with the exception of the War of the Ring (but actually there were no elves there except Legolas, at least, in the book).

He taught many people to shipbuild, and without him and his people, there would be no ships.

He gave his most precious and powerful possession, Narya, to Gandalf, and realised that he was more powerful and wiser than Saruman.

And he vowed to stay in middle-earth while Gandalf was there, even when most of his race was leaving, and actually stayed there until the year 62 (I think) of the Fourth Age, when Sam left for Valinor.

He actually did much more that I have not the time to mention them all.

Círdan, the best king of all...

King of durins folk · 03-11-2008, 01:40 PM

where on earth do all of you get all this knowledge .... its amazing ... I would bet my right arm .. that you guys are like ten times as good as I am ...

Its almoust painful to say this .. but i havent even seen the third movie..
and on the top of it all I tried to read the book but gave up at page ten or something

and all the stuff you know after and before the movies .. is that from simarillion ?

The Sixth Wizard · 04-04-2008, 06:22 PM

Hyarmendacil - South Conqueror.

Gondor was at the height of its power under King Ciryaher and he fixed its problems for quite a time, especially humbling the Haradrim who were a real threat.

12-31-2007, 04:40 PM	#1
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	King of Kings This thread is about who you think is the best King of all time, in Middle Earth. The person can be Male, Female, Dwarf, Man, Elf, or even a Hobbit (if you can find any Hobbit kings). I'll start the thread. Dáin II Ironfoot Fought in the War of Dwarves and Orcs. King of the Lonely Mountain during the War of the Ring. Durin and was the son of Nain and the grandson of Gror, who led a company of Dwarves to settle in the Iron Hills. Dáin II Ironfoot had all the trappings of a great King: Loyal to his kin and friends, amazingly honest for a dwarf, strong leader/warrior, and a wise ruler. There you have it. I’ve nominated my “King of Kings” now you nominate yours! Have fun, -Grion Redbeard Last edited by Groin Redbeard; 01-01-2008 at 11:53 AM.

01-01-2008, 07:14 PM	#2
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	Hmmm. I think I will have to not go for Thranduil! Maybe... well the thain of the Shire was knida like a king, so I'll have to go with.. Paladin Took the father of Peregrin Took He defended his home and town from Saurman's guys during the Scouring and... well raised Pippin (and didn't kill him first) __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

01-04-2008, 11:25 AM	#3
Dwarven Warrior Newly Deceased Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 6	Nice Thread Groin. I think Elendil tops them all, even Dain II. If it wasn't for him all of Arda would have fallen into darkness. __________________ An angry dwarf is a dealy foe!

01-04-2008, 11:32 AM	#4
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,648	How about Elessar? I think he did more on a grand scale and for more people than most could claim credit for and faced greater odds to get there than most. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

01-04-2008, 05:00 PM	#6
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Golly, this is a hard thread. You can't very well compare between races and ages; each monarch needs to be considered within their own particular context. Seriously, I could just choose Illuvatar and trump all of you. So, perhaps a better idea would be to select, say, the greatest king of the third age, or the greatest king of the dwarves, or something like that. __________________ Stories and songs.

01-05-2008, 11:12 AM	#7
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Okay, I made my choice and it is based more on feeling, if someone told me: King of Kings in Middle-Earth? What would I reply, simply as that. It does not have much to do with the fact that the king would be the best ruler, the kindest, most powerful and most famous and victorious over most enemies and with most heroic deeds behind him or anything like that, but who is THE king for me, is the King of the Mountain, Thorin Oakenshield. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

01-05-2008, 11:29 AM	#8
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Well, why not go with something different and take Brytta. Not often do you find a ruler that is generous to all, especially to the needy. I don't doubt that Aragorn or Eomer weren't like that as well, but I still think they were as kings a bit above the ordinary ones, while Brytta received the title Leofa, the Beloved, because of the attachment of all Rohirrims to him. Now that's a king! __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-07-2008, 02:10 PM	#11
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,997	I bet if you started a thread on who were the best queens you'd get a bit more discussion. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

01-07-2008, 09:53 PM	#12
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Queens? As far as kings go (and beyond the obvious choice of Aragorn), I really like Dain Ironfoot. __________________ Stories and songs.

01-09-2008, 02:20 PM	#13
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	No-one appreciates one of the greatest heroes of all- Círdan I don't know if this counts, but Círdan (he rules Falas and Lindon throughout his life). He is the oldest elf on middle earth (not including Valinor), I think maybe 15,000 years old? He was at the first march of the elves, whe n they went West from Cuivienen. He got messages from the Valar that he was needed in Middle Earth so he stayed. His people got attacked so much, including by the full force of Angmar, but many of them survived. He took part in almost every major battle (with elves in it), with the exception of the War of the Ring (but actually there were no elves there except Legolas, at least, in the book). He taught many people to shipbuild, and without him and his people, there would be no ships. He gave his most precious and powerful possession, Narya, to Gandalf, and realised that he was more powerful and wiser than Saruman. And he vowed to stay in middle-earth while Gandalf was there, even when most of his race was leaving, and actually stayed there until the year 62 (I think) of the Fourth Age, when Sam left for Valinor. He actually did much more that I have not the time to mention them all. Círdan, the best king of all... __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

03-11-2008, 01:40 PM	#14
King of durins folk Newly Deceased Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Khazad-Dûm Posts: 2	where on earth do all of you get all this knowledge .... its amazing ... I would bet my right arm .. that you guys are like ten times as good as I am ... Its almoust painful to say this .. but i havent even seen the third movie.. and on the top of it all I tried to read the book but gave up at page ten or something and all the stuff you know after and before the movies .. is that from simarillion ?

04-04-2008, 06:22 PM	#15
The Sixth Wizard Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stuck under a rock in Valinor with Ar-Pharazon. Posts: 480	Hyarmendacil - South Conqueror. Gondor was at the height of its power under King Ciryaher and he fixed its problems for quite a time, especially humbling the Haradrim who were a real threat. Last edited by The Sixth Wizard; 04-04-2008 at 06:29 PM.