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Samwise · 12-20-2003, 11:38 PM

In Christmas wrapping, my address labels, cards and whatnot lately, I've made a point of using a lot of holly. I've got LOTR on the brain, (I know, NO KIDDING), and I know there's something LOTR-y/Tolkieny that has to do with holly. I was told once, but I've forgotten...save that it borders somewhere? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Anyone know where? (or who, what, when, how...all of that stuff?) [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Imladris · 12-21-2003, 12:39 AM

I think that was in Hollin, an elvish settlement, and they were close friends of the dwarves in Moria. Moria also had two large Holly trees before its gates. Unfortunately, the Krakin destroyed the two holly trees when the Fellowship passed through.

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 12-21-2003, 01:56 PM

Imladris is correct, but to add to that... Hollin is also called Eregion. So if you see a reference to Eregion, it's the same place (an area of elvish settlement close to Moria).

Samwise · 12-21-2003, 06:26 PM

So then they used the Holly trees as their border because of the name of the region was Hollin? Or vice versa? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Fíriel of Ao Tea Roa · 12-22-2003, 04:33 AM

Tolkien followed the examples set in earlier days.. when most places where named after local charactersitics.. so the plants will have been there first.. though they may have disappeared and re-appeared again later ..

12-20-2003, 11:38 PM	#1
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	What's the significance? In Christmas wrapping, my address labels, cards and whatnot lately, I've made a point of using a lot of holly. I've got LOTR on the brain, (I know, NO KIDDING), and I know there's something LOTR-y/Tolkieny that has to do with holly. I was told once, but I've forgotten...save that it borders somewhere? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Anyone know where? (or who, what, when, how...all of that stuff?) [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

12-21-2003, 12:39 AM	#2
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	I think that was in Hollin, an elvish settlement, and they were close friends of the dwarves in Moria. Moria also had two large Holly trees before its gates. Unfortunately, the Krakin destroyed the two holly trees when the Fellowship passed through. __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

12-21-2003, 01:56 PM	#3
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Imladris is correct, but to add to that... Hollin is also called Eregion. So if you see a reference to Eregion, it's the same place (an area of elvish settlement close to Moria). __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

12-21-2003, 06:26 PM	#4
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	So then they used the Holly trees as their border because of the name of the region was Hollin? Or vice versa? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

12-22-2003, 04:33 AM	#5
Fíriel of Ao Tea Roa Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ao Tea Roa Posts: 20	Tolkien followed the examples set in earlier days.. when most places where named after local charactersitics.. so the plants will have been there first.. though they may have disappeared and re-appeared again later .. __________________ Ú i vethed nâ i onnad.